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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
May 01 2012 16:11 GMT
#9521
On May 01 2012 15:57 konadora wrote:
i wish i had better internets -_- 1mbps upload... how much is needed for dota 2 broadcast at max settings without lag? (spec wise too)


1mb is fine if you are using Dxtory to stream your game into xsplit. I have 1mb and can stream flawlessley.
if you can believe you can concieve
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
May 01 2012 16:13 GMT
#9522
If poeple are going Eblade in comp games it has to do with the oppoents teams and their immense amount of farm. If a Morph is trying to outcarry a AM he is not going Eblade.
if you can believe you can concieve
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 01 2012 16:38 GMT
#9523
On May 01 2012 23:10 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 17:24 hunts wrote:
On May 01 2012 12:28 Comeh wrote:
In pubs i can see the viability of E Blade, but I think in more organized games I'm not sure it really enables you to carry as effectively as other items could.

Just my opinion (i'm a big fan of Linkins + Skadi + Daedalus, but you are talking about 50 minute wins then :/)


I think that's why you have to couple the eblade with manta or bkb, so once you do your combo you can manta/bkb out of the banish.

I understand the concept, but having such burst damage (a nuke, essentially), kind of goes against being a carry - you have 2 / 2.5 attacks to kill one hero (a lower hp one) and then you can't really do anything until your cooldowns are gone. You don't have the same sort of damage items that the opposing team's carry will have, which makes me think that against a carry that is equally farmed, you will lose out.

That being said, I just don't have much experience with EB morph, but that's my feeling on the matter.


But the thing is that even outside the nuke EB still gives morph 40 agi which is quite good, and 10 str which can most likely be turned into agi. So it's not like you're just completely down a carry item.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 01 2012 16:45 GMT
#9524
On May 02 2012 01:13 TheWarbler wrote:
If poeple are going Eblade in comp games it has to do with the oppoents teams and their immense amount of farm. If a Morph is trying to outcarry a AM he is not going Eblade.

Pretty much this.

EBlade is an item that has wildly varying effectiveness depending on the game. Obviously blindly going EBlade is going to suck. But there are very few item decisions that you should be making blindly in this game anyway. EBlade is an item that can be insanely good if you pick the right times to get it, and can be a big waste of money if you get it at the wrong time.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66360 Posts
May 01 2012 18:31 GMT
#9525
On May 02 2012 00:48 Hoban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 15:57 konadora wrote:
i wish i had better internets -_- 1mbps upload... how much is needed for dota 2 broadcast at max settings without lag? (spec wise too)


Well I can't completely answer your question for specs but if you want to stream in pretty good quality, 2.5-3MB/s upload is needed. Great quality needs 4MB/s+ and as far as computer specs I can tell you a ballpark. Using Flash Media Encoder, I run Dota 2 at a fixed 60 fps with an i5 2500k overclocked to 3.7Ghz, Video card (can't remember off the top of my head) but it is 2GB and ~$250 so decent quality, 8Gb DDR3. I still have frame-rate issues at times but generally I can stream in 720p without issues. Unfortunately the internet I have now is at-max 2.5MB/s so I can never stream

Hope this helps konadora!


ahh looks like i need an upgrade then lol. thanks for the answer!

On May 02 2012 01:11 TheWarbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 15:57 konadora wrote:
i wish i had better internets -_- 1mbps upload... how much is needed for dota 2 broadcast at max settings without lag? (spec wise too)


1mb is fine if you are using Dxtory to stream your game into xsplit. I have 1mb and can stream flawlessley.

o_O but i tried using xplit and have no idea how to use it...
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 01 2012 18:33 GMT
#9526
idk, streaming in SNG could sucks smtime, we all know how SEA internet works. Best way is just to add all of your friends and let them watch you on dotaTV
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
May 01 2012 19:24 GMT
#9527
[image loading]
So, uh, any idea what that's about?
Liquor saved me from sports.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
May 01 2012 19:28 GMT
#9528
Backpack for your items? There are going to be item drops like TF2
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 01 2012 19:31 GMT
#9529
Hats? Customize how your models look, put a hat on them.
Get it by your hands...
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
May 01 2012 19:32 GMT
#9530
Yeah. For some reason there was a button showing up next to the power button (exit game) yesterday which opened my backpack. Crazy stuff happens in beta but you're not going to find anything that hasn't been announced/found out already.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 01 2012 19:49 GMT
#9531
On May 02 2012 01:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 01:13 TheWarbler wrote:
If poeple are going Eblade in comp games it has to do with the oppoents teams and their immense amount of farm. If a Morph is trying to outcarry a AM he is not going Eblade.

Pretty much this.

EBlade is an item that has wildly varying effectiveness depending on the game. Obviously blindly going EBlade is going to suck. But there are very few item decisions that you should be making blindly in this game anyway. EBlade is an item that can be insanely good if you pick the right times to get it, and can be a big waste of money if you get it at the wrong time.


EBlade is insanely good on morph, its a reasonable first pickup against antimage-based lineups a lot of the times
Eblade will come out at a point where antimage won't have more than just bfury or vanguard/vlads, allowing you to force fights earlier against a far weaker antimage than most linkins based builds, which require linkins + another item before you can afford to be aggressive.
At this point Eblade actually makes it viable to attempt to use magic to burst down AM, as well as prey on the weaker supports generally associated with AM 4-1

Basically, poor super-lategame scaling, aka what used the only drawback Eblade morph is now a non-issue since you can disassemble it now for Bfly, which is a lategame core on morph to begin with. I guess the only other time where I can't see it being a valid option is if the other team has stuff like lion/lina that can be dangerous for you, but even then there'd need to be a pair of those heroes to be a significant threat since u can instagib one
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
May 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#9532
What other heroes (if any) could consider buying eblade?
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 20:03:57
May 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#9533
tbh i will never get Eblade on morph in pub unless i am 5-0 before 10 mins.... the idea of the item is making your hard carry gank and earn gold from kills mid game instead of stable farming. Kills are uncertain gold source and can often back stab if you die. Just go the normal manta casual relic is much better imo

On May 02 2012 05:03 PassiveAce wrote:
What other heroes (if any) could consider buying eblade?


anyone that is carrying dagon 5
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#9534
On May 02 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 00:48 Hoban wrote:
On May 01 2012 15:57 konadora wrote:
i wish i had better internets -_- 1mbps upload... how much is needed for dota 2 broadcast at max settings without lag? (spec wise too)


Well I can't completely answer your question for specs but if you want to stream in pretty good quality, 2.5-3MB/s upload is needed. Great quality needs 4MB/s+ and as far as computer specs I can tell you a ballpark. Using Flash Media Encoder, I run Dota 2 at a fixed 60 fps with an i5 2500k overclocked to 3.7Ghz, Video card (can't remember off the top of my head) but it is 2GB and ~$250 so decent quality, 8Gb DDR3. I still have frame-rate issues at times but generally I can stream in 720p without issues. Unfortunately the internet I have now is at-max 2.5MB/s so I can never stream

Hope this helps konadora!


ahh looks like i need an upgrade then lol. thanks for the answer!

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 01:11 TheWarbler wrote:
On May 01 2012 15:57 konadora wrote:
i wish i had better internets -_- 1mbps upload... how much is needed for dota 2 broadcast at max settings without lag? (spec wise too)


1mb is fine if you are using Dxtory to stream your game into xsplit. I have 1mb and can stream flawlessley.

o_O but i tried using xplit and have no idea how to use it...

There are 2 (or 3 ?) very good xplit (+dxtory) guides in the tech support section
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 01 2012 20:11 GMT
#9535
On May 02 2012 05:03 PassiveAce wrote:
What other heroes (if any) could consider buying eblade?

Tinker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 01 2012 20:22 GMT
#9536
On May 02 2012 05:11 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 05:03 PassiveAce wrote:
What other heroes (if any) could consider buying eblade?

Tinker.


lazer damage is not increased by eblade tho
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 01 2012 20:23 GMT
#9537
On May 02 2012 05:22 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 05:11 Erasme wrote:
On May 02 2012 05:03 PassiveAce wrote:
What other heroes (if any) could consider buying eblade?

Tinker.


lazer damage is not increased by eblade tho

Damage from your dagon 5 is though!!!111one
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
May 01 2012 20:27 GMT
#9538
Eblade on morph, do it.

http://www.iccup.com/dota/gamingprofile/Solo.html

ze~
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
May 01 2012 20:28 GMT
#9539
On May 02 2012 05:03 PassiveAce wrote:
What other heroes (if any) could consider buying eblade?


morph bro...
morph.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
May 01 2012 20:44 GMT
#9540
I had no idea you could disassemble Eblade.
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