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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 12:31:03
January 05 2014 12:15 GMT
#92861
elo hell definitely doesn't exist, especially if you're a 5k+ mmr player. it just takes a long time for people like me to work their way out because we cant go on winning streaks like that, we just have to edge our way up, thats why people think there's an elo hell, they see no immediate change so assume theyre going to be there forever
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
January 05 2014 12:20 GMT
#92862
On January 05 2014 20:54 cecek wrote:
I don't see the problem. You play whatever you want in a dota game. Nobody is preventing the people who preach about ELO hell from playing these kinds of heroes.


It's not about there being a problem. The problem is people complaining about ELO hell. But those same people are always going to come up with excuses. Maybe their Furion isn't as strong as their riki. Maybe they're a "support player".

The point is that if some guy can do it randoming, there are very few excuses left. If he does it grinding shadowfiend, there are still plenty to go around.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
January 05 2014 12:30 GMT
#92863
maybe higher rated players are just luckier with teammates, so randoming doesn't really prove anything
::sarcasm
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
January 05 2014 12:34 GMT
#92864
On January 05 2014 20:33 Qbek wrote:
It depends a lot on what hero you are supporting as. KotL for example has really good potential to carry trench games, as he can win a lot of games against people that don't avoid illuminate, can hold 5 man pushes by himself, can screw over most pubstompers with mana leak AND has farm tool potent enough to go carry if need be. GL doing any of that with a ganking support


I can confirm that KotL carries games in trash tier games.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
January 05 2014 12:38 GMT
#92865
On January 05 2014 21:30 zezamer wrote:
maybe higher rated players are just luckier with teammates, so randoming doesn't really prove anything
::sarcasm

or maybe they played a shitton more games ?
mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
January 05 2014 12:54 GMT
#92866
Lots of 'racism' from Hao and Banana, calling mushi and iceiceice for retards and stuff through the game wtf
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ug7yr/ecl_dk_vs_ig_game_2_taunting_from_ig/

From omnirai
I watched the chinese stream as twitch lags for me, they chose to play the IG "team radio" pretty much throughout the entire game for some reason. Hao essentially flamed iceiceice non-stop starting from the first blood right up to the end of the game in that high pitched shouting voice.

Main ideas include "are you retarded? have you turned retarded after this game?", "you think I don't dare to flame you because you are foreign?", and many many variants of calling ice3 "fucking retarded" (there's no literal translation for the term he used but that's the tone. It's not a matter of LAN tactics or intimidation, and anyone who listened to the stream and understands chinese knows this).

Banana was also making fun of mushi but it's not as easy to hear as the mic is next to hao.


Bloody immature and unacceptable, they are like 12yr kids at a internet cafe.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬. 우정호 1988 - 2012
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 05 2014 12:56 GMT
#92867
Didn't one of them say something similar to Chuan too, or was that someone else?
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 05 2014 12:57 GMT
#92868
Does it really matter or are we going to go all SUPER SRS ESPORTS
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 05 2014 13:03 GMT
#92869
if you watch the video linked in the thread, theyre acting like pricks, getting the crowd to laugh at mushi and stuff
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
January 05 2014 13:14 GMT
#92870
let losers talk
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
January 05 2014 13:19 GMT
#92871
On January 05 2014 21:57 kollin wrote:
Does it really matter or are we going to go all SUPER SRS ESPORTS


Racism is a pretty serious matters. Those guys are retarded.
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Retvets
Profile Joined April 2013
1781 Posts
January 05 2014 13:27 GMT
#92872
Banana was the one who called Chuan a Malaysian Dog during the big reshuffle.

I will never support iG while this guy is still in it.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 05 2014 13:47 GMT
#92873
WHO THE FUCK CARES YO
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 05 2014 13:53 GMT
#92874
Guess it was a matter of time until the team radio things backfired.
super gg
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
January 05 2014 14:01 GMT
#92875
On January 05 2014 22:53 cecek wrote:
Guess it was a matter of time until the team radio things backfired.




Team radio or not it doesn't matter. The setup for ECL has always been 2 rows of computers next to each other, the players can actually interact with the audience that way. Didn't pick up a single racist remark on that vod though, just them repeatedly singling out Mushi/iceiceice probably whenever they're killed or close to getting killed. Definitely didn't hear "retarded" or what not, just along the lines of "we're going to kill you" and so on. Anyone has any other link?
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 14:13:45
January 05 2014 14:06 GMT
#92876
CHEESUS!
Faith, Hao and Banana are ugry as fuck.

On January 05 2014 23:01 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 22:53 cecek wrote:
Guess it was a matter of time until the team radio things backfired.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T8M6oFgvNA&feature=youtu.be

Team radio or not it doesn't matter. The setup for ECL has always been 2 rows of computers next to each other, the players can actually interact with the audience that way. Didn't pick up a single racist remark on that vod though, just them repeatedly singling out Mushi/iceiceice probably whenever they're killed or close to getting killed. Definitely didn't hear "retarded" or what not, just along the lines of "we're going to kill you" and so on. Anyone has any other link?


What about this post:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ug7yr/ecl_dk_vs_ig_game_2_taunting_from_ig/ceht2r8

Apparently the quality of the VODs of the Chinese stream is higher.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 14:31:21
January 05 2014 14:17 GMT
#92877
That's the post I was referring to, I grabbed the youtube link from there. The user going by gsgcharles nailed it pretty much:

" Stop giving non-Chinese viewers the wrong information, I was watching the Chinese stream for the entire game 2 as well. iG was picking on iceiceice because the crowd was shouting iceiceice Timbersaw = autowin.
I personally did not pick up Hao saying anything about iceiceice being a foreigner. Furthermore, no one from iG has used any swearing or any offensive languages in their taunts. Hao did not even come close to saying "fucking retarded", all he said was "have you turned dumb?", which IMO is perfectly fine giving the LAN situation.
On the other hand, I think most of what Hao said was very entertaining. For example, Timbersaw in Chinese is called "wood-cutting-machine" and Hao said "wood-cutting-machine? more like automatic-teller-machine". Hao was also taunting that he was going to finish BKB soon when he had 1K gold in his bank and no BKB components, the whole crowd laughed. Hao was also shouting stuff like "we can let anyone live, but we must kill iceiceice", and "I don't even know how i can lose now". "


There was one subbed version on youtube with red subtitles that had quite a few errors in translation too. Ok technically speaking the background story checks out - in that Hao and Banana has something against foreigners. Towards the end of the vod when they were fountain diving, they said "we won't kill our own" after they've killed Mushi and iceiceice, and the fact that they've only taunted the 2 of them through out the match says something. This isn't racism you're looking at though, more like nationalism because both mushi and iceiceice are ethnic Chinese.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 14:31:23
January 05 2014 14:31 GMT
#92878
no that cant be right, reddit kids need their daily dose of drama, dont take it away from them
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 05 2014 14:37 GMT
#92879
ban the messenger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 05 2014 14:44 GMT
#92880
On January 05 2014 21:57 kollin wrote:
Does it really matter or are we going to go all SUPER SRS ESPORTS

so this
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