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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On January 05 2014 15:02 run.at.me wrote: anyone heard if there's going to be an es nerf anytime soon? does anyone else genuinely believe he's currently balanced ? why nerf taking so long (a real nerf) he already got nerfed doe | ||
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Eriksen
Micronesia720 Posts
On January 05 2014 15:38 Kaniol wrote: I don't think that Earth Shaker needs a nerf, midshaker maxing enchant totem is best indeed, but it doesn't have to get nerfed by any means!! Not sure if... | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Ohhh he meant Ember Spirit, i get it now! | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On January 05 2014 12:27 TheYango wrote: If you want to nitpick at things like this, "The Play" at TI2 was entirely a product of Zhou not knowing that Naga+Tide couldn't combo the same way in DotA 2 as in DotA 1 That was a foreshadowing of things to come from Zhou if anything. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
People are in so much fucking denial about their own skill, jesus it's making me feel sad for them. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:42 cecek wrote: So a 5600 solo MMR guy from playdota is playing on a 3k MMR account to prove that MMR hell doesn't exist and that he wil get back to 5k+ soon. What do you think the majority of reddit comments are? "Well, he could never do it on a support, so it doesn't matter." People are in so much fucking denial about their own skill, jesus it's making me feel sad for them. Hmm. Interesting. I wonder how long it's going to take. Also I do suspect people are correct about support thing. A good support is amazing, but it does absolutely nothing if the rest of the team doesnt take advantage of it. I changed to mid only after getting tired of it and saw a radical increase in both mmr and winnings. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:42 cecek wrote: So a 5600 solo MMR guy from playdota is playing on a 3k MMR account to prove that MMR hell doesn't exist and that he wil get back to 5k+ soon. What do you think the majority of reddit comments are? "Well, he could never do it on a support, so it doesn't matter." People are in so much fucking denial about their own skill, jesus it's making me feel sad for them. so he is making sure that lesser skilled people lose there faith in mmr and Wont play dota2 because pro's are freaking playing on noob mmr accounts? dontplaydota.com  | ||
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:52 zezamer wrote: or maybe support your support play was worse than your mid ? Absolutely possible. But I still think you simply have much more impact on the game as a mid player. Winning or losing your lane, and how well you gank, directly impacts the rest of the game. As a support you can try ganking, you can ward and buy other useful supporting items, but for the most part its up to the rest of the team to do the direct impact. You cant really do anything alone. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:57 Excludos wrote: Absolutely possible. But I still think you simply have much more impact on the game as a mid player. Winning or losing your lane, and how well you gank, directly impacts the rest of the game. As a support you can try ganking, you can ward and buy other useful supporting items, but for the most part its up to the rest of the team to do the direct impact. You cant really do anything alone. Yeah but as a pro support in a low level game you can easily put a shit-ton of pressure on the other lanes and easily win them for your team. Then you use that advantage to dominate the midgame, which you then turn into a win. Not saying it would happen all the time, but definitely enough that eventually you will get out of 'ELO hell' | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
not even talking about players who have 3k MMR and call themselves a "support player." That's just completely backwards. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I'd say it's harder to carry the game as an offlaner most of the times than as a support,well for me at least. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
mid snowballs into ez win | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:57 Excludos wrote: Absolutely possible. But I still think you simply have much more impact on the game as a mid player. Winning or losing your lane, and how well you gank, directly impacts the rest of the game. As a support you can try ganking, you can ward and buy other useful supporting items, but for the most part its up to the rest of the team to do the direct impact. You cant really do anything alone. That really depends on the mentality when playing "support" really. Either way you should buy support items and not take farm (unless there's nobody else to take it), but pubs are not the place for the kind of support that sticks around in the lane, keeps wards on cooldown no matter what and passively babysits the carry to secure him freefarm, only to see him yolo and feed in the first few fights. With a good support pick you can help at least two (if not all) of your lanes dominate. A higher skilled player playing in a lower skill bracket would be able to dominate just as easily playing a Nyx or Windrunner. That's not even considering the fact you can even "support" with something like Earth Spirit or Mirana and farm kills without giving two shits that you're on an item and level handicap for the first half of the game. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:57 Excludos wrote: Absolutely possible. But I still think you simply have much more impact on the game as a mid player. Winning or losing your lane, and how well you gank, directly impacts the rest of the game. As a support you can try ganking, you can ward and buy other useful supporting items, but for the most part its up to the rest of the team to do the direct impact. You cant really do anything alone. Be honest, how many early game smokes do you buy every game? Like the other people said, supporting isn't just about buying wards and helping your carry secure some last hits in the laning stage. It's about applying early pressure. It isn't easy either...so far, I only consistently smoke gank and go super active on Chen because it is the only hero I'm comfortable to do that with. But I'm not going to AFK lane with some random carry as Crystal Maiden, then, if we lose the game, say that I couldn't have done anything more to affect the game's outcome when I didn't try to roam or roam more effectively and/or more often. | ||
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Kazzoo
France368 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:42 cecek wrote: So a 5600 solo MMR guy from playdota is playing on a 3k MMR account to prove that MMR hell doesn't exist and that he wil get back to 5k+ soon. What do you think the majority of reddit comments are? "Well, he could never do it on a support, so it doesn't matter." People are in so much fucking denial about their own skill, jesus it's making me feel sad for them. It's an interesting experiment.But I think the "ELO hell" exists in a very local sort of way. Sometimes you are just stuck at a MMR that slightly underestimates you, and you get put, let's say, in a 3k3 MMR game but you are actually 3k5 but to win it alone you'd need 4k, (numers completely arbitrary). So yeah, he's going to stomp 3k, of course he will. People in "ELO hell" (god I hate that name) don't complain they are pros put with noobs, they complain they are decent players put with complete morons, against bad to okay players. Though at 3k5 MMR (dunno how big the difference is from 3k) I really have decent games, with the occasional moron, but overall people can play. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
I'm sure at 5k vs. 3k he could do it with anything, and it would be a lot more convincing if he used heroes other than the classic pubstompers. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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