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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On November 20 2013 07:29 MrCon wrote: For Ember, someone made a damage analysis (vs mael, mjlnir, mael+deso) on reddit and 2 BF is strictly better than anything else damage wise (by far), after that a 3rd BF is often better. Yeah I saw that. BF is really good on him, make no mistake, but a second one as a second item idk. I'd still rather get a crit/deso/skadi as item 2 and then go for more BFs after that. This helps round you out so that you're not relying on having 3 enemies within cleave range of each other at all times. | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
You do not get BF for regen, or to jungle (although they are nice bonuses), so getting just one is worst of both worlds, your ganking and single target will suck and your aoe SoF will suck. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:11 LeLoup wrote: Yeah I saw that. BF is really good on him, make no mistake, but a second one as a second item idk. I'd still rather get a crit/deso/skadi as item 2 and then go for more BFs after that. This helps round you out so that you're not relying on having 3 enemies within cleave range of each other at all times. Like the guy above mentioned, BF scales very well at 2. The third item can be Daedalus or another BF but feel free to test it out. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:11 LeLoup wrote: Yeah I saw that. BF is really good on him, make no mistake, but a second one as a second item idk. I'd still rather get a crit/deso/skadi as item 2 and then go for more BFs after that. This helps round you out so that you're not relying on having 3 enemies within cleave range of each other at all times. But the 2nd one is better even vs a single target. That's what "strictly better" meant =p Unless I missread the post. After that he said a deadalus will be better iirc. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:32 MrCon wrote: But the 2nd one is better even vs a single target. That's what "strictly better" meant =p Unless I missread the post. After that he said a deadalus will be better iirc. I doubt that post was talking about single target, because that doesn't make sense. BF isn't strictly better than any other item against a single target, the idea of the build is that the cleave adds significant damage when you hit multiple targets in a small area. Unless we are going with the "BF is the highest straight damage/cost item in the game, which is why it's good for Medusa" logic. I wish the test was done with 2 targets instead of 2. It's obvious that the BF build wouldn't do as much damage as it does with 3, but if the damage is still competitive with 2 targets, it's a far more compelling argument. That test was more about the wow factor than a good comparison. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
ember is shit feedlord hero, stone is where it's at to cause people to uninstall. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:07 Kupon3ss wrote: sounds like 2/3 the same damage you'd get on a lothars radiance DS but you cant play ds like a spider man. Flash at most, but not spidey. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
wtf do I build on him. When I play earth I seem to favor items like force staff urn mek drums and other items that are generally helpful for the team while not being too expensive, cuz im sure as hell not farming much when I play him. I stay on brown boots for a long ass time but im not actually sure if thats good. what do you guys build? hes so unlike every hero iv ever played that I just always feel uncomfortable with my build. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
After that, its really just whatever. The hero basically doesn't use items to do his thing, so items are entirely just whatever the team needs (as a solo mid ganking hero, this usually means you end up getting either Mek or Drums first). | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 20 2013 09:10 Targe wrote: i would guess you want to go ganking orientated? so items that help with that would be good The thing is, his combo doesn't require items and doesn't get enhanced that much by having more items anyway. At least not by enough to outweigh greater overall team benefit from team items. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Have the necro units attack a hero, next thing you know they got no mana or HP to do anything. Great for split pushing, great for anti push, great for anything lol. Only downside to this item is that it costs gold (haha), the cooldown (gotta be a bit mindful as to when you actually use it), and that sometimes you can't rush it on some heroes since there are other core items needed first. It's even arguable to rush this item since the earlier the timing is, the stronger it becomes. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On November 20 2013 09:12 TheYango wrote: The thing is, his combo doesn't require items and doesn't get enhanced that much by having more items anyway. At least not by enough to outweigh greater overall team benefit from team items. itemwise, he seems similar to ET to how you'd want to build him. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 20 2013 09:33 Comeh wrote: itemwise, he seems similar to ET to how you'd want to build him. Ehh, ET scales much better as a secondary damage point lategame than Kaolin thanks to Natural Order and the Ancestral Spirit bonus damage. There's at least some incentive to buy more autoattack-focused lategame items on ET than on Kaolin (e.g. BKB, AC). | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On November 20 2013 09:27 trinxified wrote: If you dont know what to get, necro3 is your item to go for. Can't get wrong really. Especially on a str or int hero, it already gives you synergy. Most str heroes need the mana, and most int heroes need the HP. Both will give you extra DMG too. And the necro units are pretty good at all levels. Have the necro units attack a hero, next thing you know they got no mana or HP to do anything. Great for split pushing, great for anti push, great for anything lol. Only downside to this item is that it costs gold (haha), the cooldown (gotta be a bit mindful as to when you actually use it), and that sometimes you can't rush it on some heroes since there are other core items needed first. It's even arguable to rush this item since the earlier the timing is, the stronger it becomes. I approve of this tip. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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