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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 15 2013 18:57 BlitzerSC wrote: I think max searing chains first and flame guard second is the best build. I think maxing Sleight of Hand with one in Searing Chains and maxing Flameguard is better. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:30 Torte de Lini wrote: I think maxing Sleight of Hand with one in Searing Chains and maxing Flameguard is better. I think Flame Guard's a requirement for early game team fights, but it's too mana intensive in conjunction with chains. I'm thinking 1-1-3 to 1-4-4-1. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:33 RockIronrod wrote: I think Flame Guard's a requirement for early game team fights, but it's too mana intensive in conjunction with chains. I'm thinking 1-1-3 to 1-4-4-1. In the early game, I would think he's farming. I thought flameguard was good for jungling at safety last hitting with your Sleight of Hand combination. I have: W Q E W W R W E E E Q Q Q http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195052251 | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:41 Torte de Lini wrote: In the early game, I would think he's farming. I thought flameguard was good for jungling at safety last hitting with your Sleight of Hand combination. I have: W Q E W W R W E E E Q Q Q http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195052251 He's not a farming hero though. None of his moves except slash remotely scale into lategame and his agi gain is horrendous. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
Sleight of fist does very little damage early game which is when you are the strongest. It only shines in the later stages of the game when you have a bunch of +dmg items. I only get 1 point just so I can dodge spells and max it last. Flameguard on paper looks pretty good, but what do you do if they actually attack you and dispel your shield ? You now have no damage and you are literally screwed. I max this second. Searing Chains, on other hand, is really fucking good. It snares, which is awesome, and deals 300 damage to two targets when maxed. It only has 8 seconds cooldown which is pretty insane considering how much damage it does. I max this first and it's my main source of damage for early game. The only con to this spell is that you have to position yourself correctly, otherwise you might miss it and do no damage. When I gank someone, I usually try to use only remnant and searing chains so I can save as much mana as possible. The other two spells are there just in case I start tanking some serious damage or if I need to dodge a big dmg spell. I've heard people consider Xin to be a initiation hero and in some parts I agree, but this is true only in the later stages of the game imho. In early-mid game you just either have to pick off alone targets or wait for a bit before engaging in a 5v5 fights so you don't get blown up by the AoE. Just use your remnant in the enemies back lines and kill the supports quickly. For the item build I usually go Power treads, Wand, Battlefury, Crit. If I'm having trouble I might build a bracer/PMS just to tank up a little and I might skip the Battlefury(not sure if this is good or not). When I go mid i usually also buy a bottle, but I might switch it with a basi, I'm not sure about it yet and I need to play him a little bit more. I can't really talk about late game items because I usually win before we reach that stage of the game. tip: You can also use your remnant kinda like morphling replicate. Use it, tp in fountain, restore mana+hp and then go back to lane with remnant. I'm sure all of you knew about it though. On November 15 2013 19:41 Torte de Lini wrote: In the early game, I would think he's farming. I thought flameguard was good for jungling at safety last hitting with your Sleight of Hand combination. I have: W Q E W W R W E E E Q Q Q http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195052251 Farming is probably one of the worst things you could do with Xin. When you get lvl 6 you suddenly become super mobily and you also do tons of damage. You must kill people. If you had the intention to go late game you should have picked a better hero instead :D. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:59 nojok wrote: You say fight early and go battlefury first. This is nonsense. lol nope. I find Battlefury to be the perfect item for Xin. For what it costs, it gives you quite a lot of mana regen, damage and the cleave has good synergy with your Sleight of Fist. People need to open their minds and stop thinking of Battlefury as farm only item. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:02 BlitzerSC wrote: lol nope. I find Battlefury to be the perfect item for Xin. For what it costs, it gives you quite a lot of mana regen, damage and the cleave has good synergy with your Sleight of Fist. People need to open their minds and stop thinking of Battlefury as farm only item. Except it is a farm only item? If you wanted good combat stats there are a horde of cost efficient damage items you could get before you need to consider bfury. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:41 Torte de Lini wrote: In the early game, I would think he's farming. I thought flameguard was good for jungling at safety last hitting with your Sleight of Hand combination. I have: W Q E W W R W E E E Q Q Q http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195052251 I think you should take Q first point with Xin? It seems like your best option to survive an early kill attempt (be it off a lucky 0 min rune, planned 3 man gank or whatever) and I don't think the first point in W or E offer more than that? On November 15 2013 20:06 Yoshi- wrote: Wouldn't maelstrom make more sense than bfury I was messing around with phase drums mael, I think bfury does quite a bit more damage though? --- someone should probably make a thread in strat for Xin, we have one for kaolin | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:06 Asha` wrote: I think you should take Q first point with Xin? It seems like your best option to survive an early kill attempt (be it off a lucky 0 min rune, planned 3 man gank or whatever) and I don't think the first point in W or E offer more than that? I was messing around with phase drums mael, I think bfury does quite a bit more damage though? You're right | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:13 Plansix wrote: Does slight of hand count as a standard attack? If so, a BF would make each one a small AOE, correct? correct | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13090 Posts
Desolator is really good too, adding the corruption in a huge aoe. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:06 RuskiPanda wrote: Except it is a farm only item? If you wanted good combat stats there are a horde of cost efficient damage items you could get before you need to consider bfury. Except its not a farm only item ? Battlefur doesn't only give you cleave, stop ignoring the other bonuses of it | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:21 SkelA wrote: Just remember you get cleave on every atack on sleight of fist, the best item for ember spirit by far considering what it offers for him. I think items like Deso work pretty well in this regard. Would Armlet work too and vlads? | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:22 BlitzerSC wrote: Except its not a farm only item ? Battlefur doesn't only give you cleave, stop ignoring the other bonuses of it Yeah dude, that hp/mana regen is really gonna come in handy when they just stun you and blow you up because you're fighting early with a battlefury ROFL. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
Use your fuking brain, Ember Spirit has the perfect skill set to avoid stuns, get out from sticky situations and kill the opponents before they can even touch you. But why am I even trying to tell you this stuff ? If you get stunned you just die, right ? ROFL ROFL ROFL... | ||
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