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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 12 2013 14:39 GMT
#86541
I shamelessly stole Kupo's level 1 rosh strat with a minor modification (lich -> veno), and our SB rolled over them afterwards.

I know, I have no self respect.
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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
November 12 2013 14:54 GMT
#86542
On November 12 2013 22:12 Gheizen64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 21:56 Mithhaike wrote:
On November 12 2013 16:34 cecek wrote:
Can we talk about Slark?

I used to go Bottle, Treads, Shadow Blade, Orchid, later bkb. It was really amazing for ganking (you know they don't see you use shadowblade, you can solokill really well with silence, can farm and splitpush really fast with orchid regen, etc.), it started getting problematic when enemies 5 man, but you could usually farm your way to a bkb reasonably fast when you need to teamfight. Now I'm not really sure about the build. The shadowblade nerf really hit it, and the new ult is also not that good for ganking either. What the new ult is really good at is not dying, if you have all your spells on cooldown, 90% of team compositions just can't kill you. I'm almost thinking you should play him as a splitpusher now, just because he's so hard to kill even if you go under a tower. I haven't tried it yet, but I think Bottle, Treads, Soul Ring, Necrobook might be really good. I don't think you can skip the soul ring, you really need the mana regen. Maybe you could do Vlads instead? It's really good for pushing, but I don't think it's enough mana regen, and going both soul ring and vlads seems like too many little items.

What do you people think?


I personally find myself lacking mana on Slark too. I like soul ring on him. He's still a hero destroyer at early-mid levels, there's no point to go necrobook for split pushing. Yes he's unkillable in that role, but why waste his strength?


Early on, use dark pact only as a way to dispell stuns, and you won't have mana problems (i've found the health cost is too big for a max pact early build). Then later on, after lothar, you can go sheep, pretty broken item.

The point of a max pact build is to accelerate your farm. You basically spam it on lane & in jungle for flash farming purposes, and get back to ganking afterwards. I realise with my excessive usage of dark pact, a soul ring is pretty much essential for my playing style.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 15:50:02
November 12 2013 15:09 GMT
#86543
On November 12 2013 23:10 Stancel wrote:
Yo, I just matched a TLer in TMM and you were the yellow WR - won't you please tell me who you are?

Im guessing you weren't queuing USEast / West?

Edit: Nevermind, probably not me since you used the word "just" was 8 hours ago or so
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:14:47
November 12 2013 17:13 GMT
#86544
Carmac / ESL trying to find the most ridiciouls possible locations to host dota as far away as possible from their Cologne studios:

We are happy to reveal the location of the RaidCall EMS One DOTA2 Finals. The finals of the Fall 2013 season will be held in Poland once again, but we have moved to Tychy, a city 20 minutes from Katowice. On the 7th and 8th of December, the qualified teams will fight it out for a prize pool of $35,000.


It feels like a bad joke but it's ESL so hey anything goes.

http://dota2.raidcall-emsone.com/news/tychy-to-host-the-dota2-finals/
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
November 12 2013 17:15 GMT
#86545
I seriously think that venomous gale should be maxed on Veno first now

The level 4 damage is insane.

I mean, ofc it depends on comps, but if you're gonna be teamfighting, maxed gale+ult will actually just make people die
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:21:24
November 12 2013 17:19 GMT
#86546
Just rumors guys. But winter wyvern will maybe be a female hero.

Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
November 12 2013 17:22 GMT
#86547
Also, confirmed

PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:28:04
November 12 2013 17:26 GMT
#86548
iv been going gale first recently since it got a 50% buff in damage at level 4 and imo it is pretty crazy. you really want gigantic ults asap tho and if you cant get them then it kind of sucks. right now tons of people are underestimating the total damage of a gale, ult, and poison sting, it actually murders the shit out of people all together, especially since wards now apply a stacking effect of poison sting. veno is actually really fucking disgusting at level 11 with gale and sting imo.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 12 2013 17:40 GMT
#86549
On November 12 2013 23:54 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:12 Gheizen64 wrote:
On November 12 2013 21:56 Mithhaike wrote:
On November 12 2013 16:34 cecek wrote:
Can we talk about Slark?

I used to go Bottle, Treads, Shadow Blade, Orchid, later bkb. It was really amazing for ganking (you know they don't see you use shadowblade, you can solokill really well with silence, can farm and splitpush really fast with orchid regen, etc.), it started getting problematic when enemies 5 man, but you could usually farm your way to a bkb reasonably fast when you need to teamfight. Now I'm not really sure about the build. The shadowblade nerf really hit it, and the new ult is also not that good for ganking either. What the new ult is really good at is not dying, if you have all your spells on cooldown, 90% of team compositions just can't kill you. I'm almost thinking you should play him as a splitpusher now, just because he's so hard to kill even if you go under a tower. I haven't tried it yet, but I think Bottle, Treads, Soul Ring, Necrobook might be really good. I don't think you can skip the soul ring, you really need the mana regen. Maybe you could do Vlads instead? It's really good for pushing, but I don't think it's enough mana regen, and going both soul ring and vlads seems like too many little items.

What do you people think?


I personally find myself lacking mana on Slark too. I like soul ring on him. He's still a hero destroyer at early-mid levels, there's no point to go necrobook for split pushing. Yes he's unkillable in that role, but why waste his strength?


Early on, use dark pact only as a way to dispell stuns, and you won't have mana problems (i've found the health cost is too big for a max pact early build). Then later on, after lothar, you can go sheep, pretty broken item.

The point of a max pact build is to accelerate your farm. You basically spam it on lane & in jungle for flash farming purposes, and get back to ganking afterwards. I realise with my excessive usage of dark pact, a soul ring is pretty much essential for my playing style.

The thing is, Pact's mana cost goes DOWN with ranks. Even if you use the spell more with Pact max, it shouldn't outstrip your mana usage if you have Drum or Aquila, so long as you keep/send a Clarity to top off before a fight.

The key is that you have to always be Treads swapping when you are using Pact to farm. Slark benefits doubly from Treads swapping with Dark Pact because you can Int Treads->cast the spell->Str treads->take the self damage->back to Agi treads to use Treads swapping to reduce the effect of both the mana cost and the self-damage.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 12 2013 17:54 GMT
#86550
Dignitas is done with dota for now, thanks Obama....



So how many more teams will Demon destroy on his way to stability?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
November 12 2013 17:59 GMT
#86551
On November 13 2013 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Dignitas is done with dota for now, thanks Obama....

https://twitter.com/slasher/status/400305535666245632

So how many more teams will Demon destroy on his way to stability?

Speed.Demon is the next logical step.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 12 2013 18:01 GMT
#86552
On November 13 2013 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Dignitas is done with dota for now, thanks Obama....

https://twitter.com/slasher/status/400305535666245632

So how many more teams will Demon destroy on his way to stability?


That team was doomed from the start. Can only imagine Dignitas's ignorance as an excuse for them thinking otherwise.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
November 12 2013 18:01 GMT
#86553
While I'm not going to pull an erasme, I don't think we have any evidence that demon is the cause of these problems.
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Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
November 12 2013 18:03 GMT
#86554
On November 13 2013 02:13 SilverStar wrote:
Carmac / ESL trying to find the most ridiciouls possible locations to host dota as far away as possible from their Cologne studios:

Show nested quote +
We are happy to reveal the location of the RaidCall EMS One DOTA2 Finals. The finals of the Fall 2013 season will be held in Poland once again, but we have moved to Tychy, a city 20 minutes from Katowice. On the 7th and 8th of December, the qualified teams will fight it out for a prize pool of $35,000.


It feels like a bad joke but it's ESL so hey anything goes.

http://dota2.raidcall-emsone.com/news/tychy-to-host-the-dota2-finals/

Tychy beer is pretty nice
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 12 2013 18:04 GMT
#86555
On November 13 2013 03:01 Firebolt145 wrote:
While I'm not going to pull an erasme, I don't think we have any evidence that demon is the cause of these problems.

I don't think he was either, it's just funny to joke about it. But he has had some bad luck getting to MLG. But everyone has bad runs and times when they have bounced around from job to job.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 18:06:58
November 12 2013 18:06 GMT
#86556
When you remove one player and 2 others leave you have management issues.

But of course, ongamers being just another tripe gamespot property they're not going to say anything that might make a team look bad. They won't even get a quote from Korok in the 3 articles they wrote about this story.
Once you Goblak...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 12 2013 18:06 GMT
#86557
On November 13 2013 02:59 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Dignitas is done with dota for now, thanks Obama....

https://twitter.com/slasher/status/400305535666245632

So how many more teams will Demon destroy on his way to stability?

Speed.Demon is the next logical step.

God we can dream, can't we? Or demon.speed, which could be just as good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 12 2013 18:06 GMT
#86558
On November 13 2013 03:01 Firebolt145 wrote:
While I'm not going to pull an erasme, I don't think we have any evidence that demon is the cause of these problems.


Yea but all those characters together. Don't know how that team would ever last a few months let alone until TI4
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
November 12 2013 18:16 GMT
#86559
On November 13 2013 03:03 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 02:13 SilverStar wrote:
Carmac / ESL trying to find the most ridiciouls possible locations to host dota as far away as possible from their Cologne studios:

We are happy to reveal the location of the RaidCall EMS One DOTA2 Finals. The finals of the Fall 2013 season will be held in Poland once again, but we have moved to Tychy, a city 20 minutes from Katowice. On the 7th and 8th of December, the qualified teams will fight it out for a prize pool of $35,000.


It feels like a bad joke but it's ESL so hey anything goes.

http://dota2.raidcall-emsone.com/news/tychy-to-host-the-dota2-finals/

Tychy beer is pretty nice

Not really a major factor when you decide to host a LAN tournament with a Chinese and Korean team.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 18:21:53
November 12 2013 18:21 GMT
#86560
On November 13 2013 02:13 SilverStar wrote:
Carmac / ESL trying to find the most ridiciouls possible locations to host dota as far away as possible from their Cologne studios:

Show nested quote +
We are happy to reveal the location of the RaidCall EMS One DOTA2 Finals. The finals of the Fall 2013 season will be held in Poland once again, but we have moved to Tychy, a city 20 minutes from Katowice. On the 7th and 8th of December, the qualified teams will fight it out for a prize pool of $35,000.


It feels like a bad joke but it's ESL so hey anything goes.

http://dota2.raidcall-emsone.com/news/tychy-to-host-the-dota2-finals/
The EMS is just not relevant to me anymore.

When it was first announced it was like 'oh shit, this is huge.' Then a number of shitty formats, lackluster online qualifiers, forgettable Lan's later. Just find it hard to care.

Is it nice to have more Lan events? Sure. But I'd rather watch any other Lan event. WCG last year got me more excited than any EMS has.
Once you Goblak...
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