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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
November 06 2013 01:17 GMT
#85661
On November 06 2013 10:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 09:09 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Is it intended that if Rubick steals Bara's Charge and they use it and cross each other's path, it's Rubick who always(?) gets the short end of the straw.

Stealing Charge doesn't steal Greater Bash's current rank. You have to have a rank in Greater Bash to have the pass-through stun, so yes.

Is it intended that stealing Charge doesn't steak the ranks in Greater Bash though? Seems like an odd behavior if you consider how Spell Steal works with similar cases.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 06 2013 01:17 GMT
#85662
On November 06 2013 10:06 njt7 wrote:
How many in here is still actively using smurf accounts? I feel that it is pretty stupid nowadays when I have introduced all of my friends to dota so that they are not completly clueless anymore. And after a couple of games I feel that I get matched according to my "true" skill level anyway. And it feels that the matchmaking system does a fine job of matching the stacks I play in according to our overall skill level even thou our indivual skill levels sometimes differ a lot.

Sure sometimes we face opponents who seem to have proffesional teamplay compared to us but thats part of playing the game and evolving as a group.
#stopsmurfing

i smurf because i practice mid on that account only and another to just have fun and not tryhard, smurfing is fun.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 06 2013 01:19 GMT
#85663
On November 06 2013 10:17 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 10:12 TheYango wrote:
On November 06 2013 09:09 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Is it intended that if Rubick steals Bara's Charge and they use it and cross each other's path, it's Rubick who always(?) gets the short end of the straw.

Stealing Charge doesn't steal Greater Bash's current rank. You have to have a rank in Greater Bash to have the pass-through stun, so yes.

Is it intended that stealing Charge doesn't steak the ranks in Greater Bash though? Seems like an odd behavior if you consider how Spell Steal works with similar cases.

? no? That's exactly how spell steal is supposed to work. You only get the spell you steal. Like, if you put one lvl 1 charge and don't lvl great bash, then it's working like you had no levels yes? rubick only gets what he steals.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
November 06 2013 01:20 GMT
#85664
But Ive seen a rubick and a spiritbreaker charge each other and it was the rubick that won. Is that based on cast time then or what?
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
November 06 2013 01:22 GMT
#85665
Well he gets the level of lucent beam that Luna has when he steals eclipse...
The Turtle Moves
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
November 06 2013 01:22 GMT
#85666
On November 06 2013 10:19 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 10:17 SKC wrote:
On November 06 2013 10:12 TheYango wrote:
On November 06 2013 09:09 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Is it intended that if Rubick steals Bara's Charge and they use it and cross each other's path, it's Rubick who always(?) gets the short end of the straw.

Stealing Charge doesn't steal Greater Bash's current rank. You have to have a rank in Greater Bash to have the pass-through stun, so yes.

Is it intended that stealing Charge doesn't steak the ranks in Greater Bash though? Seems like an odd behavior if you consider how Spell Steal works with similar cases.

? no? That's exactly how spell steal is supposed to work. You only get the spell you steal. Like, if you put one lvl 1 charge and don't lvl great bash, then it's working like you had no levels yes? rubick only gets what he steals.

You get the benefits from things like Krobs passive, Luna's beams, SF's souls. If another ability changes the ability you steal, Rubick's ability will also benefit from those changes. In most cases.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 06 2013 01:22 GMT
#85667
On November 06 2013 10:22 GtC wrote:
Well he gets the level of lucent beam that Luna has when he steals eclipse...

im all out, forgot that actually.
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 06 2013 01:24 GMT
#85668
maybe it's something with the way the spells and abilities are applied? I mean, luna beams, sf souls, krobs passive directly impacts the given spell, but maybe the charge is applied after? I guess?
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 01:25:26
November 06 2013 01:24 GMT
#85669
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=59539

He actually does get Greater Bash in Dota 2, unless that was changed. Whether it is a "bug" or an intended change is hard to tell.

It was even patched into Dota 2, it didn't happen before, so I would definatelly lean towards intended.
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
November 06 2013 01:26 GMT
#85670
So if SF casts requiem, and then rubick steals it after the cast is finished, does he only get a requiem at half souls?
Also, if SF is in mid cast, does rubick steal requiem or raze? If he steals requiem, is it at full souls or half souls?
The Turtle Moves
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
November 06 2013 01:27 GMT
#85671
On November 06 2013 10:26 GtC wrote:
So if SF casts requiem, and then rubick steals it after the cast is finished, does he only get a requiem at half souls?
Also, if SF is in mid cast, does rubick steal requiem or raze? If he steals requiem, is it at full souls or half souls?

You don't lose souls by casting your ult.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 06 2013 01:29 GMT
#85672
I'm fairly certain the last one who casted charge will win that war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 01:36:02
November 06 2013 01:33 GMT
#85673
On November 06 2013 10:24 SKC wrote:
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=59539

He actually does get Greater Bash in Dota 2, unless that was changed. Whether it is a "bug" or an intended change is hard to tell.

It was even patched into Dota 2, it didn't happen before, so I would definatelly lean towards intended.

Hmm, I thought it was just on Nether Strike, and not on Charge. I stand corrected.

On November 06 2013 10:22 GtC wrote:
Well he gets the level of lucent beam that Luna has when he steals eclipse...

The unofficial stance on the Gameplay Bugs forum right now is that the "intended" behavior is stealing the ranks of associated spells.

You don't actually steal Lucent Beam's rank in DotA 1 with Eclipse, but doing so in DotA 2 is currently considered intended.
Moderator
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 02:17:23
November 06 2013 02:16 GMT
#85674
On November 06 2013 10:27 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 10:26 GtC wrote:
So if SF casts requiem, and then rubick steals it after the cast is finished, does he only get a requiem at half souls?
Also, if SF is in mid cast, does rubick steal requiem or raze? If he steals requiem, is it at full souls or half souls?

You don't lose souls by casting your ult.


Oh lol. I got that mixed up with dying lol. Definitely the same thing.
The Turtle Moves
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 06 2013 02:49 GMT
#85675
it makes such a difference when you're playin alchemist if you get last hits it seems. That hero is really stupid now with an armlet.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 06 2013 02:59 GMT
#85676
On November 06 2013 11:49 Targe wrote:
it makes such a difference when you're playin alchemist if you get last hits it seems. That hero is really stupid now with an armlet.


so getting gold is good
u could say that about every hero in the pool
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
November 06 2013 03:01 GMT
#85677
I could also claim every item is a farming item
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 03:07:00
November 06 2013 03:03 GMT
#85678
On November 06 2013 11:59 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 11:49 Targe wrote:
it makes such a difference when you're playin alchemist if you get last hits it seems. That hero is really stupid now with an armlet.


so getting gold is good
u could say that about every hero in the pool

it was a joke about me always failing at alchemist because i couldnt last hit for shit (not that im good now)
the second part is serious though, with his ult up armlet drains no hp

that btw was the same with every hero i played
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
November 06 2013 04:32 GMT
#85679
On November 06 2013 12:01 Shaella wrote:
I could also claim every item is a farming item


Try to farm with ghost scepter.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 06 2013 04:32 GMT
#85680
does anyone remember in dota one if berserkers call lasts the entire duration and the taunted heroes just stand there and derp even if axe dies before it runs out
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
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