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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
October 15 2013 17:02 GMT
#82501
On October 16 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
how make pugna real hero?

I vote range on his blast or something

Oblivion is already a real hero. Dat ward...
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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
October 15 2013 17:02 GMT
#82502
On October 16 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
how make pugna real hero?

I vote range on his blast or something

luna-tier movement speed.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 15 2013 17:02 GMT
#82503
On October 16 2013 01:54 Nocticate wrote:
who wins a 1v1 manfight, one skill, at level 1?
but with a twist: everyone is 6 slotted.

What are the rules to getting items? Does player A know what hero player B is playing before choosing the items? Does player A know player B's items before choosing his?
super gg
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 15 2013 17:04 GMT
#82504
On October 16 2013 02:02 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
how make pugna real hero?

I vote range on his blast or something

luna-tier movement speed.


He's already like top-5 MS lol. Not luna tier but then who is? (nobody).
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
October 15 2013 17:06 GMT
#82505
On October 16 2013 02:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 02:02 Nocticate wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
how make pugna real hero?

I vote range on his blast or something

luna-tier movement speed.


He's already like top-5 MS lol. Not luna tier but then who is? (nobody).

You calling Luna a nobody?
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Carmine
Profile Joined September 2010
United States263 Posts
October 15 2013 17:08 GMT
#82506
On October 16 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
how make pugna real hero?

I vote range on his blast or something

ya a bit more range would help his survivability. Also maybe a little bit more stength gain?
Terran was created third, with purity of tanks.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 15 2013 17:10 GMT
#82507
U can't give him strength gain thats part of his identity as a hero (4.0 int gain best in class, but tradeoff is legit terrible strength gain. He has decrep to dodge physical damage anyway and his ward punishes magic nukers).
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 15 2013 17:14 GMT
#82508
faster missile speed or cast range on blast would make his laning way better
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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:17:23
October 15 2013 17:16 GMT
#82509
On October 16 2013 02:02 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 01:54 Nocticate wrote:
who wins a 1v1 manfight, one skill, at level 1?
but with a twist: everyone is 6 slotted.

What are the rules to getting items? Does player A know what hero player B is playing before choosing the items? Does player A know player B's items before choosing his?

yes.
just kidding, it's blind just like (presumably) lvl 25 w/ 6 slot is.
or you could pick items one after another in a sort of item-draft.
shit that's too meta for me.

and honestly I think longer cast range on blast is better than bigger radius. but maybe that makes his squishiness and emphasis on ms less obvious...
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:53:37
October 15 2013 17:34 GMT
#82510
Pugna is fine, he just doesn't fit the game the way it's played right now (timing-dependent push hero that's not all that good against split-pushers or in stalled games), plus random functional issues with his skills that make them weaker in DotA 2 (primarily Decrepify no longer being a physical dispel for physical debuffs like Naga's Ensnare).

The hero doesn't need buffs, he just needs a shift in the pace of the game toward the timings/scenarios where he's good, plus some small bugfixes.

Also of note is how KotL and Naga being good hits this hero's usefulness a lot (particularly after the 6.75 Illuminate range buff for KotL). KotL and Naga can clear pushes from beyond the range of Nether Ward, whereas other AoE nuking supports need to burn themselves on the ward to clear creeps. This is exacerbated by the fact that Decrepify is in turn supposed to counter one of Naga's core skills, but doesn't because it's bugged.

On October 16 2013 02:14 Erasme wrote:
faster missile speed or cast range on blast would make his laning way better

His laning is already quite good, it's just not bullshit-tier, and there's no need for it to be.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 15 2013 17:56 GMT
#82511
On October 16 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
how make pugna real hero?

I vote range on his blast or something


Literally the hardest hero to play in dota atm, harder than support rhasta/lion/zeus.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
October 15 2013 18:11 GMT
#82512
Pugna is broken ppl just don't have caught on it. 15 min HG ez gg wp. You have to pick against the right lineups of course, like OD + another spammy caster.
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Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
October 15 2013 18:20 GMT
#82513
you need to pick od with pugna man gg towersded
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 15 2013 18:22 GMT
#82514
Hows OD help that?

Snipper tho. Snipper Pagna would do some work to towers. Or maybe Tinny.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:26:47
October 15 2013 18:25 GMT
#82515
The Quantic OD + Pugna didn't seem bad at all, I don't know why he haven't seen it since. It don't even think it has a major exploitable downside, either. OD is a very strong, and a common pick, so you don't reveal anything. And Pugna is played as a safelane carry, it doesn't matter how good of a laner he is. Obviously, push strats are not good against kotl and naga (like Yango mentioned), but you can draft around that... Naga is not a bad first ban even if you don't go for this strat and kotl is not really a first picked hero nowadays.
super gg
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 15 2013 18:51 GMT
#82516
why would you run pugna as a safelane carry? The hero barely scale with item and hit his peak around level 9. Reasonable slot 4 but i wouldnt put it up to slot 1...
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 15 2013 18:53 GMT
#82517
The plan is to end the game around level 9 lol. Farm for 6ish mins then push push push.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
October 15 2013 19:01 GMT
#82518
On October 16 2013 03:51 NB wrote:
why would you run pugna as a safelane carry? The hero barely scale with item and hit his peak around level 9. Reasonable slot 4 but i wouldnt put it up to slot 1...

Same reason why you run necro as safelane carry, it's to hit a strong timing based on those heroes' skills. Besides Pugna is really shitty without mana to spam that blast on towers. You should really check how quantic ran it, it was during dreamhack I I remember correctly.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 19:04:35
October 15 2013 19:04 GMT
#82519
But you already pick OD to solve the mana problem. I mean necro is actually useful late game while pugna isnt.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
October 15 2013 19:12 GMT
#82520
lategame pugna can be really annoying when he gets a scepter (OR REFRESHER HUE)

But yeah, there are obviously better heroes to allocate farm to.
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