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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On October 02 2013 22:56 Mithhaike wrote: To break up this long long discussion about play style. Here's my favourite playstyle. Look at that....skill. EE has nothing on this typical snowballing tusk. not that impressive. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On October 03 2013 00:36 aintz wrote: typical snowballing tusk. not that impressive. Dunno, the triple kill was impressive. Not sure it was impressive because iceiceice is good, or the other players are bad, but impressive nonetheless. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Like the same dude who made the videos made some videos for Sing kunkka and farrari invoker where it's easier to see that they're a step "above". | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On October 03 2013 00:29 Staboteur wrote: It feels like DotA is in a strange place (or at least TL DotA) where more people play support or supportive roles than they do carry roles. I'm saying this having done a fair few CM 3-4 man stacks, where our +1 or +2 are almost invariably requesting position 3-5 heroes. I guess it's only strange having come from the "Mid or feed" / "ADC BOT" instalocks that happen in other games. I dunno, I generally get a solid variety. People will often lock in core heroes early, but I see lots of people who are perfectly happy with any role (though not any hero). On October 03 2013 00:49 Comeh wrote: Dunno, the triple kill was impressive. Not sure it was impressive because iceiceice is good, or the other players are bad, but impressive nonetheless. The other players were pretty bad. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On October 03 2013 00:49 Comeh wrote: Dunno, the triple kill was impressive. Not sure it was impressive because iceiceice is good, or the other players are bad, but impressive nonetheless. i think its part of both. iceiceice is very good and other players are very bad. that qop in and furion in particular. even after 10mins the qop still does minimum range blinks like a boss. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
BTW for those who didn't notice he dodged qop's poison with the snowball. | ||
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + This type of stuff is more impressive. This is why Invoker should be back in the meta. Such a fun hero. Valve buff please. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:33 Firebolt145 wrote: Wow he took part in every single kill except for one. Sun Strike is one hell of a drug. Man, Invoker really DOES need to re-enter the meta. He has no inherently toxic elements to him, and just provides pure, fun teamfight and ganking ability. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:38 Acritter wrote: Sun Strike is one hell of a drug. Man, Invoker really DOES need to re-enter the meta. He has no inherently toxic elements to him, and just provides pure, fun teamfight and ganking ability. The only thing I fear is that IF continues trying to buff him in ways that clearly stops him from playing (1v1 prowess mid, notably his base damage). Sorry, IF, but buffing tornado damage isn't going to fix him. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:43 Comeh wrote: The only thing I fear is that IF continues trying to buff him in ways that clearly stops him from playing (1v1 prowess mid, notably his base damage). Sorry, IF, but buffing tornado damage isn't going to fix him. I think he was trying to make Quas Wex more popular. Unfortunately, he seems to be missing the core reason people don't go Quas Wex on him: Exort is inherently the strongest aspect, and will remain that way unless all the Exort spells are nerfed into the ground. Damage and manapool are good on a combat-caster hero... | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:49 Acritter wrote: I think he was trying to make Quas Wex more popular. Unfortunately, he seems to be missing the core reason people don't go Quas Wex on him: Exort is inherently the strongest aspect, and will remain that way unless all the Exort spells are nerfed into the ground. Damage and manapool are good on a combat-caster hero... Exort is not "inherently" the strongest aspect. It's just that 6.74 systematically nerfed Quas-Wex while systematically buffing Exort-based forms: - Chaos Meteor damage increased from 80+Exort*30 to 80+Exort*35 - Chaos Meteor land time decreased from 1.5 to 1.3 - EMP can no longer hit Invulnerable/Tornadoed units - EMP cooldown increased from 25 to 30 seconds - Sun Strike damage type changed from Magical to Pure - Sun Strike now reveals the area it will hit before the damage impact - Tornado cooldown increased from 25 to 30 seconds - Tornado Damage decreased from 77.5+(Wex+Quas)*23 to 70+(Wex+Quas)*20 Quas-Wex was virtually standard pre-6.74, and any Exort-based build was very much the exception. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
 Note: Not saying IF should buff base damage. Just saying that the base damage nerf was another push towards Exort-Based builds. There were a LOT of factors pushing exort builds (still are). Not that I mind, I like exort based builds. However, it feels like they are ruining his viability. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On October 03 2013 01:59 TheYango wrote: Exort is not "inherently" the strongest aspect. It's just that 6.74 systematically nerfed Quas-Wex while systematically buffing Exort-based forms: Quas-Wex was virtually standard pre-6.74, and any Exort-based build was very much the exception. It IS inherently the strongest, because intelligence is both his primary stat and what he relies on to cast his spells. If Exort builds are underused, it's because Exort spells are weaker than Quas and Wex spells. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Also, OD vs Invoker at a high level is a virtually unplayable lane. On October 03 2013 02:05 Acritter wrote: It IS inherently the strongest, because intelligence is both his primary stat and what he relies on to cast his spells. If Exort builds are underused, it's because Exort spells are weaker than Quas and Wex spells. That's simply not true. It's very frequently the case that HP and movement speed are more "valuable" stats for an intelligence-based caster than raw mana. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On October 03 2013 02:05 Acritter wrote: It IS inherently the strongest, because intelligence is both his primary stat and what he relies on to cast his spells. If Exort builds are underused, it's because Exort spells are weaker than Quas and Wex spells. What on EARTH does that have to do with ANYTHING? Its all a numbers game... Raising your main-stat only helps you right click, which isn't "inherently" the strongest. It is a strong option, but there's nothing making it "inherently the strongest". The abilities mana-costs can be balanced around the int-gain inherent in casting them. What you mean is that exort has some inherent benefits. None of which make it definitively "the strongest". You may argue that you prefer its inherent benefits over those of his other abilities (you'd be correct) but the abilities have a lot of "non-inherent" (derp) usefulness that completely overshadows the stat-gain. | ||
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