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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 28 2013 06:43 GMT
#80141
Isn't that, like, elemental opposites or something?
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 28 2013 06:51 GMT
#80142
when is iceiceice going to stream again fuck
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
September 28 2013 06:55 GMT
#80143
On September 28 2013 15:51 FinestHour wrote:
when is iceiceice going to stream again fuck

He tweeted recently that he has no time to stream and he won't do it in the next couple of days.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 28 2013 06:59 GMT
#80144
I agree with the no rush ghost on huskar. Early on the physical damage is relatively small, its much better to just focus on buffing your HP pool and regen(armlet), mid game will be about ghost scepter and late game is armor and evasion.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 28 2013 07:17 GMT
#80145
On September 28 2013 15:43 Acritter wrote:
Isn't that, like, elemental opposites or something?

yes, together burning and iceiceice make the double dragon
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 28 2013 07:20 GMT
#80146
On September 28 2013 16:17 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 15:43 Acritter wrote:
Isn't that, like, elemental opposites or something?

yes, together burning and iceiceice make the double dragon

So then... who could the Dark Seer be?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 07:38:41
September 28 2013 07:36 GMT
#80147
On September 28 2013 15:38 Acritter wrote:
The issue with your suggestion is that you assume that Huskar needs to carry. That's not even what he's best at. He's best at attracting all your opponents' attention so that your carry can do their deadly work.

He needs to snowball the game, because his power peak is with his first item. A damage item first maximizes the number of heroes in the game he is a threat to.

Ghost Scepter's 4 seconds of "invulnerability" isn't even that much more survivability than an Armlet at that point in the game where your base HP pool isn't that big yet and physical damage isn't that high.

On September 28 2013 15:14 trinxified wrote:
Ghost is too good to pass up at that cheap price. So many instances where you jumped on someone but need that auto-attack invulnerability to get a safe kill.

And many of those cases 475 HP, 5 armor, and a lot more damage would have gotten you that kill.

Incoming autoattack damage isn't that high early game except in the case of a few heroes (e.g. Ursa or heroes with pure damage orbs).
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 28 2013 07:42 GMT
#80148
On September 28 2013 16:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 15:38 Acritter wrote:
The issue with your suggestion is that you assume that Huskar needs to carry. That's not even what he's best at. He's best at attracting all your opponents' attention so that your carry can do their deadly work.

He needs to snowball the game, because his power peak is with his first item. A damage item first maximizes the number of heroes in the game he is a threat to.

Ghost Scepter's 4 seconds of "invulnerability" isn't even that much more survivability than an Armlet at that point in the game where your base HP pool isn't that big yet and physical damage isn't that high.

His power peak is, indeed, when nobody has BKB. But I disagree that he needs to snowball. He just needs to keep on forcing people to pay attention to him. It's not until very late in the game that all cores build BKB and all supports build Ghost Scepter. Until that point, he's always capable of doing insane amounts of damage to SOMEONE. As long as that's the case, the other team needs to put a disproportionate amount of focus on Huskar, or else he'll be able to just plain kill people.

Again, your issue is that you assume too high a farm priority on Huskar. Ghost Scepter could very well be his first item 10-15 minutes in.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 08:48:15
September 28 2013 07:54 GMT
#80149
??? So could Armlet. He's going mid or safe lane and isn't a Bottle user. A 2.5k gold item in 10-15 minutes is not overly ambitious. Minus the cost of a Bottle, it's equivalent to a 15 minute Mek, which is really not fast at all, even for mid.
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miyuki
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland47 Posts
September 28 2013 08:10 GMT
#80150
I don't know why you say Huskar is "going to be mid or safe lane". He is best used to dominate any lane. Put him against the opposite carry and have a carry yourself farming the other side lane, be it offensive or safe. He is not a hard carry type hero and doesn't need to be freefarming to be effective anyways.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 28 2013 08:47 GMT
#80151
On September 28 2013 17:10 miyuki wrote:
I don't know why you say Huskar is "going to be mid or safe lane". He is best used to dominate any lane. Put him against the opposite carry and have a carry yourself farming the other side lane, be it offensive or safe. He is not a hard carry type hero and doesn't need to be freefarming to be effective anyways.

He can't solo off-lane safely, I don't know what you're trying to say.

Yes, he can dual off-lane if you 2-1-2, but in terms of farming effectiveness, that's equal to or better than mid if you have a strong dual off-lane that's accomplishing its job of shutting down the carry.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
September 28 2013 08:47 GMT
#80152
Er.

If you play him as a solo offlane against a defensive trilane to try and harass down the enemy carry you're gonna have a bad time. You won't have the levels for berserker's blood to help at all, you don't have the range to get any last hits, you don't have any mobility/survivability spells.

Yeah no.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 28 2013 09:04 GMT
#80153
Does dota 2 have mmr decay?
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 09:05:44
September 28 2013 09:05 GMT
#80154
you can play him solo offlane vs dual lane comfortably, it just depends on what kind of heroes you're facing. its entirely possible for huskar to wreck, for example, a kotl+pl lane
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Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
September 28 2013 09:32 GMT
#80155
Why do I have 10 min ques 11.30 on a saturday? I got like 48 games played and every game mode enabled...
Toast and coffe
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 28 2013 09:54 GMT
#80156
Are you in low priority?
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Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
September 28 2013 10:34 GMT
#80157
How do I know that?
Toast and coffe
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 10:40:39
September 28 2013 10:40 GMT
#80158
Before you click on find match button there's a red text above the world map saying you are in low prio
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 28 2013 11:28 GMT
#80159
On September 28 2013 18:04 Dubzex wrote:
Does dota 2 have mmr decay?

I don't think so
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 11:43:49
September 28 2013 11:43 GMT
#80160
I think it does, if I haven't played dota2 in a week or it feels like I need to play 2-3 games till my mmr feels stable again

as in it feels like worse people are all around you for some games
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