EPTOn September 27 2013 00:22 Acritter wrote:
This is just embarrassing.
This is just embarrassing.
Hey look we agree on something
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Sn0_Man
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Hey look we agree on something | ||
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Weasel-
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
Then perhaps with your great wisdom you'd like to explain to me why OD is NOT the defining mid of this version, and why his presence HASN'T resulted in the vast reduction of game plans centered around high-rotation mids? | ||
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Kishin2
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:34 Kishin2 wrote: Has anyone tried Drow vs. OD mid? I feel like Drow can win with superior range and a silence. Drow should get outlasthitted to all shit by any half competent OD | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:34 Kishin2 wrote: Has anyone tried Drow vs. OD mid? I feel like Drow can win with superior range and a silence. She needs to block better and get past the fact that OD crushes on man-fighting and last-hitting level 1. If the OD is bad, she's a hero that can punish that in the long run, but if the OD is good, it can very quickly become hopeless for her. On September 26 2013 23:33 Sn0_Man wrote: OD isn't so bad IMO. He makes mid criminally boring sure but TA was kinda like that too @TI2. I don't like this comparison at all, because a really good TA has always been incredibly entertaining to watch, given how much of a finesse hero she is. A good OD is still just an OD. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:34 Kishin2 wrote: Has anyone tried Drow vs. OD mid? I feel like Drow can win with superior range and a silence. shit atack animation ? | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:34 Kishin2 wrote: Has anyone tried Drow vs. OD mid? I feel like Drow can win with superior range and a silence. Much worse attack animation, silence requires mana. Her advantages are like Viper's, so she has a chance, but lacks Corrosive Skin. Has the same weaknesses as Viper as well. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:35 TheYango wrote: She needs to block better and get past the fact that OD crushes on man-fighting and last-hitting level 1. If the OD is bad, she's a hero that can punish that in the long run, but if the OD is good, it can very quickly become hopeless for her. I don't like this comparison at all, because a really good TA has always been incredibly entertaining to watch, given how much of a finesse hero she is. A good OD is still just an OD. You forgot the part where TA generally takes over the midgame in a way that OD just doesn't, and rewards rotations significantly. It's not just about whether they're fun to watch, it's also that the heroes operate very differently. | ||
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Kishin2
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:40 Kishin2 wrote: I was kind of thinking that Drow could zone OD out with arrows/manfight, but then I noticed Drow has .64 base armor while OD has 5.36. Never mind. No wonder this hero isn't picked. Drows like 20 base damage behind OD too... | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:40 Kishin2 wrote: I was kind of thinking that Drow could zone OD out with arrows/manfight, but then I noticed Drow has .64 base armor while OD has 5.36. Never mind. No wonder this hero isn't picked. She'd theoretically be fairly good if both heroes started at level 6, unless OD just stacked 3-4 Astrals and ulted her. On September 27 2013 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Drows like 20 base damage behind OD too... Aura makes that not quite as bad as you might think. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Drows like 20 base damage behind OD too... I wasn't too concerned with that since if you man fight OD you get the advantage of creeps. Afaik, OD has the highest base armor of any ranged hero. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:45 TheSubtleArt wrote: Does anyone else think OD would be fine if Astral buffed OD's intelligence without stealing it from the opponent? You'd still have a really good 1v1 laner, but one that isn't so boring, doesn't completely restrict a wide range of heroes, and doesn't stop your opponent from being able to cast anything. If you take away OD's ability to dominate 1v1 matchups, this hero would never get picked ever again. That's why this hero is popular. | ||
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Plansix
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:47 Comeh wrote: If you take away OD's ability to dominate 1v1 matchups, this hero would never get picked ever again. That's why this hero is popular. He'd still dominate with more base dmg and xp advantage. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:45 Kishin2 wrote: I wasn't too concerned with that since if you man fight OD you get the advantage of creeps. Afaik, OD has the highest base armor of any ranged hero. Yup. He's .3 armor ahead of Storm. OD is kind of a fundamentally flawed hero. His schtick is dominating mid, and because of how mid really isn't much of a break-even thing outside of two people taking turns nuking down the waves (which OD patently prevents), the hero turns into a win-hard lose-hard sort of pick. If he's good enough at his job to force a lot of other heroes out, he greatly lowers the picking pool and thus the meta's diversity. If he's not good enough, he never gets picked. The only real middle ground is to rework him so that he fails to counter a lot of heroes and counters a few specific heroes far more or to generally rework him so he becomes an anti-hero version of Dragon Knight. Either way, he fails to be all that interesting. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Nerfing that would likely go a long way. Then you could at least do damage to much. Right now he seems to just do more damage, take less damage and wins 1v1s. He just seems like the lowest risk of picks for mid. | ||
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