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On April 14 2012 07:47 Glacials wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 07:38 Crissaegrim wrote:What do you think are some of the pros and cons of the genre, and how would you evaluate its long term potential in the context of e-sports growth?
...With 5 members on a team, it is immensely difficult to evaluate each player’s worth/skill on a team because it’s all about how you play together, not individually. Will a player make sacrifices for the good of the team? Will a player think about how the team can win the game? Too many players focus on irrelevant stats, like gold per minute, k/d ratio, etc. Those stats are useless. All that matters is did the opposing team’s frozen throne or world tree die and how much you contributed to make that happen. Taken from a recent interview with Merlini, yes the old Dota 1 pro famous for his zues play etc etc, Ex-MYM. Source: Merlini Interview Doesn't impress me much, especially since I've formed a team in DOTA with him before he was well known. You guys missed the point of why I included that part. Look at any player, and his overall KD ratio will be positive.
Not really, pure support players have very negative K:D scores during tournament and competitive games, when i played HoN i only played with 4 other people and i was always supporting and i had a crappy K:D, but we won 65% of our games still, so we did fine.
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On April 14 2012 07:56 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 07:47 Glacials wrote:On April 14 2012 07:38 Crissaegrim wrote:What do you think are some of the pros and cons of the genre, and how would you evaluate its long term potential in the context of e-sports growth?
...With 5 members on a team, it is immensely difficult to evaluate each player’s worth/skill on a team because it’s all about how you play together, not individually. Will a player make sacrifices for the good of the team? Will a player think about how the team can win the game? Too many players focus on irrelevant stats, like gold per minute, k/d ratio, etc. Those stats are useless. All that matters is did the opposing team’s frozen throne or world tree die and how much you contributed to make that happen. Taken from a recent interview with Merlini, yes the old Dota 1 pro famous for his zues play etc etc, Ex-MYM. Source: Merlini Interview Doesn't impress me much, especially since I've formed a team in DOTA with him before he was well known. You guys missed the point of why I included that part. Look at any player, and his overall KD ratio will be positive. Not really, pure support players have very negative K:D scores during tournament and competitive games, when i played HoN i only played with 4 other people and i was always supporting and i had a crappy K:D, but we won 65% of our games still, so we did fine.
This is pubs... not tournaments.
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On April 14 2012 07:58 Glacials wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 07:56 Unleashing wrote:On April 14 2012 07:47 Glacials wrote:On April 14 2012 07:38 Crissaegrim wrote:What do you think are some of the pros and cons of the genre, and how would you evaluate its long term potential in the context of e-sports growth?
...With 5 members on a team, it is immensely difficult to evaluate each player’s worth/skill on a team because it’s all about how you play together, not individually. Will a player make sacrifices for the good of the team? Will a player think about how the team can win the game? Too many players focus on irrelevant stats, like gold per minute, k/d ratio, etc. Those stats are useless. All that matters is did the opposing team’s frozen throne or world tree die and how much you contributed to make that happen. Taken from a recent interview with Merlini, yes the old Dota 1 pro famous for his zues play etc etc, Ex-MYM. Source: Merlini Interview Doesn't impress me much, especially since I've formed a team in DOTA with him before he was well known. You guys missed the point of why I included that part. Look at any player, and his overall KD ratio will be positive. Not really, pure support players have very negative K:D scores during tournament and competitive games, when i played HoN i only played with 4 other people and i was always supporting and i had a crappy K:D, but we won 65% of our games still, so we did fine. This is pubs... not tournaments.
I think we understand what you mean, but you should not look at a persons K:D or GPM or anything like it.
Look at how they play and how well they function, you can't just look at their stats and say "This guy is a good player" maybe he only plays pubstompers and can't play in scrims/CM/5v5 teams because he'll be dominated in a real game.
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On April 14 2012 07:58 Glacials wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 07:56 Unleashing wrote:On April 14 2012 07:47 Glacials wrote:On April 14 2012 07:38 Crissaegrim wrote:What do you think are some of the pros and cons of the genre, and how would you evaluate its long term potential in the context of e-sports growth?
...With 5 members on a team, it is immensely difficult to evaluate each player’s worth/skill on a team because it’s all about how you play together, not individually. Will a player make sacrifices for the good of the team? Will a player think about how the team can win the game? Too many players focus on irrelevant stats, like gold per minute, k/d ratio, etc. Those stats are useless. All that matters is did the opposing team’s frozen throne or world tree die and how much you contributed to make that happen. Taken from a recent interview with Merlini, yes the old Dota 1 pro famous for his zues play etc etc, Ex-MYM. Source: Merlini Interview Doesn't impress me much, especially since I've formed a team in DOTA with him before he was well known. You guys missed the point of why I included that part. Look at any player, and his overall KD ratio will be positive. Not really, pure support players have very negative K:D scores during tournament and competitive games, when i played HoN i only played with 4 other people and i was always supporting and i had a crappy K:D, but we won 65% of our games still, so we did fine. This is pubs... not tournaments.
Sure, I can last hit and steal hero kills from the carry. Crystal nova is a great kill-steal ability and since CM is so fragile I guess I need to steal some more to get positive K:D, right? Nobody will get pissed and I will be announced as a great player.
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On April 14 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:
So I just realized--if Lothar's gets added into crits now...Lothar's Tuskarr is pretty much going to be the funniest thing ever when he gets added into the game.
woah what
lothars damage crits?
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On April 14 2012 08:43 Dead9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:
So I just realized--if Lothar's gets added into crits now...Lothar's Tuskarr is pretty much going to be the funniest thing ever when he gets added into the game. woah what lothars damage crits?
http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Changes_from_DotA
Bonus damage from Shadow Blade is affected by built in crits from heroes such as Juggernaut
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sick so that means i want lothars on every hero with a crit right
also woah i want multiple mkbs on every hero too
Monkey King Bar gives uphill true strike against buildings, unlike DotA1 where true strike is a x1.0 crit and doesn't work on buildings.
Damage from multiple Monkey King Bars stack if they proc at the same time. It doesn't override any other on-hit effect either.
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You don't want lothars on skele or jugger 
But it's why it's amazing with kunkka, if he crits + lothar it adds up to just insane amounts of damage.
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Aside from pushing, is Lone Druid a good hero? I want to try him, but if he is mainly for pushing, I won't play him in just any pub game.
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On April 14 2012 08:57 Whole wrote:
Aside from pushing, is Lone Druid a good hero? I want to try him, but if he is mainly for pushing, I won't play him in just any pub game.
yes sylla is a good hero, its not mainly for pushing thought, especially in pubs ^^
also wtf, fnaticRC dominating mTWW.
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Are there any pro supports that stream/support while they stream? I play(ed) support in HoN and I would like to get better as a support in Dota2 as I just got a beta key a couple days ago.
Also, this might belong in the QQ thread, but playing on a team as the only support with 4 carries was very depressing.
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On April 14 2012 08:57 Whole wrote:
Aside from pushing, is Lone Druid a good hero? I want to try him, but if he is mainly for pushing, I won't play him in just any pub game.
Sylla is very like lycan, but the main difference is that lycan pushes and dominates mid and sylla will dominate late, but they can both push like insane if left on their own for even just 30 seconds.
He needs a lot of farm so he's not really that amazing in pubs, if your team fucks up early on though you're pretty screwed
Also a tip: Playing supports in pubs is very unrewarding, i normally wont touch supports unless i'm playing with people i know.
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On April 14 2012 08:57 Whole wrote:
Aside from pushing, is Lone Druid a good hero? I want to try him, but if he is mainly for pushing, I won't play him in just any pub game.
dont ever play him in pub, unless, of course, you intentionally want to screw up people game. in a non-noob involved 5v5 game , it requires your team to 4v5 at least for the first 12mins of the game and you need to know exactly what to do.
if you really wanna try sylla, do it when you have a strong stack team. otherwise, go do it vs bots or dota1 client like garena etc wherever people dont really care much.
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I hope that they won't show a players K/D in dota2 at any point of time. It would just mean that players that enjoy supporting would be wrongly flamed.
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On April 14 2012 09:24 Kamakiri wrote:
I hope that they won't show a players K/D in dota2 at any point of time. It would just mean that players that enjoy supporting would be wrongly flamed.
There's zero need to be able to see anyone else's stats, but you should at least be able to see your own.
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On April 14 2012 08:43 Dead9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:
So I just realized--if Lothar's gets added into crits now...Lothar's Tuskarr is pretty much going to be the funniest thing ever when he gets added into the game. woah what lothars damage crits?
i always went lothars on him anyway
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Well, just played my first "real" game after getting the key a couple of days ago. We had at least one other person on their first game, so I think killing them several times and lasting 40 minutes was good enough.
Any tips that may not be that obvious, except always having a tp on you if possible?
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On April 14 2012 09:19 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 08:57 Whole wrote:
Aside from pushing, is Lone Druid a good hero? I want to try him, but if he is mainly for pushing, I won't play him in just any pub game. dont ever play him in pub, unless, of course, you intentionally want to screw up people game. in a non-noob involved 5v5 game , it requires your team to 4v5 at least for the first 12mins of the game and you need to know exactly what to do. if you really wanna try sylla, do it when you have a strong stack team. otherwise, go do it vs bots or dota1 client like garena etc wherever people dont really care much.
Non noob involved 5vs5 game? Lol...I doubt he's at that level if he doesn't even know what Lone Druid is. People should stop giving advice to everyone like they're playing at a pro level D:. You can definetly play lone druid safely in 90% of pubs and dominate if you know what you're doing. But its a tough hero so I wouldn't go into it blindly..watch someone play him first then do what they do. The key is good farming and staying alive...one early death can really fuck you over for the rest of the game. But if you make it to midgame and get a couple items for you and the bear you're pretty much beast mode the rest of the way.
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What makes him difficult? Is it that you need to jungle really effectively (stacking, proper routes, not getting ganked or wasting time) with him to be effective?
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