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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 03:12:24
September 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#76941
Lol I'm now 1-6 with PA. Just tried the non-BFury build. Still lost. Perhaps bad luck with her.

Sad part is, the lone win was getting carried by early and mid-game by Batrider so I didn't have much to contribute.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 10 2013 03:13 GMT
#76942
On September 10 2013 12:11 trinxified wrote:
Lol I'm now 1-6 with PA. Just tried the non-BFury build. Still lost. Perhaps bad luck with her.

Sad part is, the lone win was getting carried by early and mid-game by Batrider so I didn't have much to contribute.

Find and watch Loda replays, maybe.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 10 2013 03:16 GMT
#76943
see what you did passiveace ? noone read post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 03:24:02
September 10 2013 03:21 GMT
#76944
Best build for antimage when you can't team fight is bfury into eblade, Dagon 5, then either heart/ butterfly etc.

Mostly works against agi carries, and you need good farm at start to get ahead.

Works especially well against pa, void (backtrack can get annoying) Sf, etc. u need the bfury to be able to farm fast, still an essential no matter what.

Edit: http://dotabuff.com/matches/298931734

A 4v5 we won coz rubick abandoned at lvl 9
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 10 2013 03:25 GMT
#76945
On September 10 2013 11:51 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 11:50 ViZe wrote:
Wasn't the old AM build Phase Vanguard Manta

Also Midas is pretty good on PA. I'd do something like Midas Phase Bracer/Drums BKB Basher


I remember doing a Vanguard first build something like four years ago. It won more than it ought to have.

Four years ago vanguard first was quite good, this was way before vanguard recieved a huge series of nerfs.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 10 2013 03:34 GMT
#76946
On September 10 2013 12:25 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 11:51 Acritter wrote:
On September 10 2013 11:50 ViZe wrote:
Wasn't the old AM build Phase Vanguard Manta

Also Midas is pretty good on PA. I'd do something like Midas Phase Bracer/Drums BKB Basher


I remember doing a Vanguard first build something like four years ago. It won more than it ought to have.

Four years ago vanguard first was quite good, this was way before vanguard recieved a huge series of nerfs.

Oh, it got nerfed? Why? I remember it sucking anyway. This is like hearing about the huge series of nerfs to Techies.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 10 2013 03:39 GMT
#76947
On September 10 2013 12:34 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 12:25 Unleashing wrote:
On September 10 2013 11:51 Acritter wrote:
On September 10 2013 11:50 ViZe wrote:
Wasn't the old AM build Phase Vanguard Manta

Also Midas is pretty good on PA. I'd do something like Midas Phase Bracer/Drums BKB Basher


I remember doing a Vanguard first build something like four years ago. It won more than it ought to have.

Four years ago vanguard first was quite good, this was way before vanguard recieved a huge series of nerfs.

Oh, it got nerfed? Why? I remember it sucking anyway. This is like hearing about the huge series of nerfs to Techies.

6.73
HP Bonus decreased from 275 to 250

6.68
HP bonus from 300 to 275

6.65
Damage block reduced from 40 to 20 when equipped on ranged heroes (50% less block like stout and Poor Man's Shield)

6.60
Improved block chances (65>70%)
Improved health regeneration (5>6 hp)

6.55
Increased Vanguard hitpoints by 50

6.50
Improved Vanguard a little
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
September 10 2013 03:43 GMT
#76948
On September 10 2013 11:51 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 11:02 CountChocula wrote:
On September 10 2013 10:40 rwrzr wrote:
On September 10 2013 09:52 trinxified wrote:
Thanks I'm 1-5 with PA right now doing the BFury buildup, so I think it means I should try something else. Though the losses aren't strictly because of me, but I'm sure it helps if I can fight much earlier.


Also BFURY is awesome for farming, but does nothing to help you survive. (you still melt in teamfights)

Usually its used to ramp up your farm into another item (BKB) and then you can start picking fights.

Also if you are getting completely wrecked you may want to alter your item build.

once you reach 6 bfury, the amount of hp regen becomes enough to let you survive fights. it's even better than HoT since it works even if you are in combat

Count please

Also I think I played w/ u last night

what hero did you play?
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 10 2013 03:53 GMT
#76949
On September 10 2013 12:39 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 12:34 Acritter wrote:
On September 10 2013 12:25 Unleashing wrote:
On September 10 2013 11:51 Acritter wrote:
On September 10 2013 11:50 ViZe wrote:
Wasn't the old AM build Phase Vanguard Manta

Also Midas is pretty good on PA. I'd do something like Midas Phase Bracer/Drums BKB Basher


I remember doing a Vanguard first build something like four years ago. It won more than it ought to have.

Four years ago vanguard first was quite good, this was way before vanguard recieved a huge series of nerfs.

Oh, it got nerfed? Why? I remember it sucking anyway. This is like hearing about the huge series of nerfs to Techies.

Show nested quote +
6.73
HP Bonus decreased from 275 to 250

6.68
HP bonus from 300 to 275

6.65
Damage block reduced from 40 to 20 when equipped on ranged heroes (50% less block like stout and Poor Man's Shield)

6.60
Improved block chances (65>70%)
Improved health regeneration (5>6 hp)

6.55
Increased Vanguard hitpoints by 50

6.50
Improved Vanguard a little

What!=why

Also, I was mostly playing in 6.59d, so I was running with it before some of the buffs.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 10 2013 03:59 GMT
#76950
It got nerfed because it was bought way too often.
Moderator
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 10 2013 04:01 GMT
#76951
because it was too good for almost every hero, both melee and ranged

It was the old forcestaff (w/ quarterstaff) of its era
ffxiv enjoyer
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 10 2013 04:05 GMT
#76952
Ah, I getcha. The new quick+easy bulk once Phase Boots and Heart got hit with the nerfbat.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
September 10 2013 04:18 GMT
#76953
4 years ago vanguard was too good. you could get it on a lot of midgame carries and be annoyingly hard to kill, put a bkb/pipe on top of it and it was sometimes as ridiculous as the 1% heart

+ Show Spoiler [and also] +
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
September 10 2013 04:21 GMT
#76954
That video is awesome, haha
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 10 2013 04:29 GMT
#76955
I think they should look to adjusting vanguard to be another option to drums. Cuz EVERYONE and their mother buys drums.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 10 2013 05:07 GMT
#76956
Or add another item in that price bracket with a different effect. Maybe some basic damage-dealer. More decent items at around 2k gold would improve the game. Right now carry buildup is just Aquila->Drums or Tranqs->Drums or Phase->Drums or farming item rush. Maybe change Drums to give armor and attack damage and introduce a new basic stats item? That would put the image and HP heroes on new item (PL, Spectre, Weaver, maybe some others) and put the new drums onto all the racecar heroes (Lifestealer, PA, Lone Druid, Doom, whatever). Damage bonus aura would work for new stats item; it works on all the heroes mentioned and is a viable buildup on supports. I'd like to see something like that come into effect.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 10 2013 05:18 GMT
#76957
What heroes are actually good to purchase Vanguard with? At least decent?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 10 2013 05:22 GMT
#76958
Waiting on Icefrog to make an Intel evasion item, since Halberd added a Strength one.
Moderator
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
September 10 2013 05:23 GMT
#76959
sny am
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
September 10 2013 05:23 GMT
#76960
blink dagger qop
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
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