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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:01 heavenz wrote: I think the od problem is vastly overrated. Heroes like DK, Kunka, SF, Razor do really well against him. wat | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 10 2013 05:28 Shaella wrote: we live in a time where this game is a spectator sport, and a casual game at the same time Something that is boring to watch, and frustrating to play as/against cannot persist. Balancing after what people want to play with/against is the first step to something aweful. | ||
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
max dragonblood,1 point into presence of the dark lord. Easy. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:07 r.Evo wrote: Balancing after what people want to play with/against is the first step to something aweful. You make balance changes to make the game better, which may not even mean more balanced. Changes such as making the game faster or making a certain strat less viable are all about pleasure to play and watch. Of course you have to be careful with how you do with, but two common misconceptions are that you don't change something that is balanced and that you don't change something that is only an issue outside pro games. Both have been done plenty of times. | ||
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CustomKal
Canada749 Posts
Dk can bottle crow and doesn't lose the lane nearly as easily due to not losing last hit damage from astral. He is also very hard to gank since he has a lot of life and armor. SF on radiant more so than dire because he is guaranteed to get souls thus allowing him to last hit. SF with a few souls can easily go toe to toe with sf for last hitting, which if he plays correctly, can grab them early on when OD is still on low levels and can't spam astral yet. The point of "countering" OD is to simply not let him dominate the lane, do that and you are in a fine position. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:12 SKC wrote: You make balance changes to make the game better, which may not even mean more balanced. Changes such as making the game faster or making a certain strat less viable are all about pleasure to play and watch. Of course you have to be careful with how you do with, but two common misconceptions are that you don't change something that is balanced and that you don't change something that is only an issue outside pro games. Both have been done plenty of times. Neither of what was what I was referring to. =P I more meant the whole "we need to balance for ESPORTS / my viewing pleasure / so that the game doesn't annoy me"-sort of thing. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:16 r.Evo wrote: Neither of what was what I was referring to. =P I more meant the whole "we need to balance for ESPORTS / my viewing pleasure / so that the game doesn't annoy me"-sort of thing. Its a factor whether you like it or not. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:08 heavenz wrote: max dragonblood,1 point into presence of the dark lord. Easy. LOL | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:16 r.Evo wrote: Neither of what was what I was referring to. =P I more meant the whole "we need to balance for ESPORTS / my viewing pleasure / so that the game doesn't annoy me"-sort of thing. Well, sure, but like the guy you quoted said, if something is boring to watch it is indeed an issue. The hard part is telling whether it is really boring to watch, if only a few people think it is boring to watch or even if there is something completelly diferent that made that game boring to watch. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:08 heavenz wrote: max dragonblood,1 point into presence of the dark lord. Easy. I'm curious what you think 1 point Presence even does in that lane. | ||
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Vxed
Norway239 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Also, whether going even/stalemating vs OD is "good enough" depends very heavily on teamcomp. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:34 Kishin2 wrote: Broodmother could do well. In a real game, she wins if she gets to Soul Ring (partly because of the DotA 2 bug where the Soul Ring mana buffer allows you to cast spells you don't have enough Intel to cast). In tournament 1v1 its a lot harder if Soul Ring isn't allowed. Of course, then it's Broodmother, who's even more lane-centric than OD is. | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:31 Vxed wrote: I like a passive focused Viper as well. He cant really kill, but he can trade favorably and zone the OD out a bit, with a stick you also get mana to kill him at 6. Viper just sucks, OD can drain you up of all mana get major damage advantage and zone you out of lh with astrals. He won't ever attack you and you'll lose the lane horribly. If skin worked on target spell it would be another thing, but as it he sucks. Kka is pretty bad against OD too, you can maybe harass him slightly better and if you get a QB as first item you can also outdeny him with TB on, but he still astral you out of important CS and then you get just snowballed on after 4-5 mins. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
and sf/dk get completely destroyed by od... | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:39 Dead9 wrote: skin does work on spells and sf/dk get completely destroyed by od... astral doesn't do damage tho | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:39 Dead9 wrote: skin does work on spells and sf/dk get completely destroyed by od... It doesn't work on spells that don't do damage. | ||
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