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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 06 2013 15:36 GMT
#76261
On September 07 2013 00:33 Grettin wrote:
Is today a patch day?


Yes.
+ Show Spoiler +
Full of hats. You happy ?
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
September 06 2013 18:18 GMT
#76262
Wow, the new DK is amazing. I hope those guys go far
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
September 06 2013 18:40 GMT
#76263
No major patch this week?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
September 06 2013 19:04 GMT
#76264
On September 07 2013 03:40 ahswtini wrote:
No major patch this week?

Nope
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 06 2013 19:14 GMT
#76265
On September 06 2013 23:39 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 22:29 Paperplane wrote:
Damnit I just want the new patch. So curious what's gonna change

Same.

I want my fucking nerfs.

There aren't going to be nerfs in a dota 2 patch. :/ Needs a new version for that.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 06 2013 19:14 GMT
#76266
On September 07 2013 04:14 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 23:39 Comeh wrote:
On September 06 2013 22:29 Paperplane wrote:
Damnit I just want the new patch. So curious what's gonna change

Same.

I want my fucking nerfs.

There aren't going to be nerfs in a dota 2 patch. :/ Needs a new version for that.

I thought that's what we were talking about O.o
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 06 2013 19:16 GMT
#76267
On September 07 2013 04:14 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 04:14 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 06 2013 23:39 Comeh wrote:
On September 06 2013 22:29 Paperplane wrote:
Damnit I just want the new patch. So curious what's gonna change

Same.

I want my fucking nerfs.

There aren't going to be nerfs in a dota 2 patch. :/ Needs a new version for that.

I thought that's what we were talking about O.o

ah the patch nomenclature is what is misleading. patches = bug fixes, porting heroes. Versions = gameplay changes.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 06 2013 19:33 GMT
#76268
On September 06 2013 21:04 wairai wrote:


Lulzy play


Lol fuckin awesome! Even paired with Axe and Battle Hunger for easy hero kills too hahaha
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
September 06 2013 20:10 GMT
#76269
Watching bloodseeker bloodrage a fucking farmed auto attack hero then blademailing and having him 1 hitting himself is the greatest thing, definitely after hes been talking shit the whole game.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 06 2013 20:45 GMT
#76270
hmm. Slardar Slardar Slardar
I think i'm correct in thinking that that his core is pretty much treads>blink>armlet (i'm of the personal opinion that blink is pretty crazy on him with his short cast animation on crush

I'm not sure on skillbuild tho, max bash or sprint second?
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
September 06 2013 20:53 GMT
#76271
if you're going blink I'd say sprint kinda sucks
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:00:37
September 06 2013 20:58 GMT
#76272
On September 07 2013 05:45 Shaella wrote:
hmm. Slardar Slardar Slardar
I think i'm correct in thinking that that his core is pretty much treads>blink>armlet (i'm of the personal opinion that blink is pretty crazy on him with his short cast animation on crush

I'm not sure on skillbuild tho, max bash or sprint second?

Also consider BKB, really important on him. Sometimes before/instead of armlet.

Firstly, its worth noting the first two points of sprint are better than the third (+20 +7 + 5 +7). Mine is usually
Crush, Spring, Crush, Sprint, Crush, Amp, Crush, Bash, Bash, Bash, Amp, Bash, Sprint, Sprint.

Unless you are an rngod, I dont find E worth maxing until you have good AS items.

Sprint is good because it lets you disengage / catch up to blink distance really well. It gives a lot of maneuverability in fights if you time it properly. Comes down to experience with the hero. Also I'm convinced this hero is a Lifestealer Counter.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 06 2013 21:05 GMT
#76273
Yeah I mean, definitely at least 1 point of sprint early, that 20% is rully good

i was just thinking about choosing to max bash first is because its a damage increase, as well as a reliability increase
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:05:39
September 06 2013 21:05 GMT
#76274
I feel like if abandon would get + 100 range on his shield and coil, he would be a fucking good trilane support
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:12:42
September 06 2013 21:10 GMT
#76275
Opinion time.

4-4-1-2 is the build virtually always. The question is when do you take the first level of bash instead of a sprint (since its almost always before you finish maxing sprint). It's pretty situational depending on how many enemies you are hitting but usually you have the damage and stuns to get kills and you only need to worry about bash once BKBs are up or w/e. That said, I'm usually a sucker for 1/3/1/1 @6 just because RNGG.

Pretty sure lifestealer molests slardar assuming decent play but I suppose I could be wrong. It takes 5 seconds before LS's slow decays to the point where sprint 4 even just balances it out. Yes amp damage wrecks LS when its on him but if you amp first then LS can rage it off and if you save it till after rage then you aren't stunning him and therefore you are probably losing your right-click war quite handily since feast is practically as good as amp and if you use sprint then you kinda self-amp as well.

Yes you can be a bashlord but by the time you attack fast enough LS is probably a bashlord too and abyssal is OP as fuck (wish void could buy that item).

All that said, Slardar certainly does better than some vs LS. LS also doesn't need a blink to initiate assuming decent draft (puck/storm/whatever) which is also quite big.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:24:44
September 06 2013 21:18 GMT
#76276
Should usually be Sprint>Bash. Sprint taking you to 522 MS is a big deal, and rank 1 Sprint doesn't really cut it.

When you get that 1st rank Bash depends a lot. If you are in a vs. melee lane, the point of Bash is good for trades/man-fights, but against ranged heroes or in a freefarm lane, having 1 point Bash doesn't do anything compared to the loss of level 7-9 gank/man-fight power.

Armlet is situational. Blink, BKB, and AC are your core items, and Armlet can be good if your development is good to enhance your solo-killing ability and general DPS, but it's simply not a game-changer the way the other 3 items are.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 06 2013 21:19 GMT
#76277
On September 07 2013 06:05 Darkren wrote:
I feel like if abandon would get + 100 range on his shield and coil, he would be a fucking good trilane support

he is already a top pick atm and you still wana buff the bastard? >.>.... I was constantly telling people how good aba is at baby sitting before he came out and noone listen. The ability to cleanse most of the negative debuff, negating stun/slow is incredible.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 06 2013 21:21 GMT
#76278
On September 07 2013 06:05 Darkren wrote:
I feel like if abandon would get + 100 range on his shield and coil, he would be a fucking good trilane support



i don't think if people abandon it's good for any trilane.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 06 2013 21:24 GMT
#76279
Hmm, alright. I'll believe you guys on this one, because the charge max has worked out for me on breaker rather well

so I figure

crush>bash or sprint>crush>whichever you didn't take at 2>crush>ult>crush>sprint till max
rite
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 06 2013 21:24 GMT
#76280
On September 07 2013 05:58 Comeh wrote:
Firstly, its worth noting the first two points of sprint are better than the third (+20 +7 + 5 +7).

The thing is, this is a bit misleading because the relative value of movement speed goes up at higher amounts. Pretty much everyone can get to ~420 MS because +10-15% MS boosts are all over the place (Yasha, Drums, Track, Empowering Haste, etc.). It's the later ranks of Sprint that actually pull you ahead of the pack. Of course, those later ranks might not be necessary if your team has some of these other effects to fill the gap for you, but it depends on the game.
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