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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:24 TheYango wrote: The thing is, this is a bit misleading because the relative value of movement speed goes up at higher amounts. Pretty much everyone can get to ~420 MS because +10-15% MS boosts are all over the place (Yasha, Drums, Track, Empowering Haste, etc.). It's the later ranks of Sprint that actually pull you ahead of the pack. Of course, those later ranks might not be necessary if your team has some of these other effects to fill the gap for you, but it depends on the game. True true. I just think if you are opting for a blink, 522 MS is a little less necessary. Its just the feeling I get after trying it a few times. I'll play him the next time I'm against a LS and let you know.  | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:30 Sn0_Man wrote: Slardar bash isn't remotely comparable to SB bash when talking about what you level first. SB bash is literally just free damage on charge and ulti, with upside. Slardar bash is an actual bash and requires luck. You max it out once you are attacking enough that the chance is relevant. One point for mise though is pretty good. gotta have one point for the RNGG dream | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:19 NB wrote: he is already a top pick atm and you still wana buff the bastard? >.>.... I was constantly telling people how good aba is at baby sitting before he came out and noone listen. The ability to cleanse most of the negative debuff, negating stun/slow is incredible. Yes but the problem i find when trying to do that is that im alwais too far and a second too late for everything, if im near an intelligent ennemy they wont engage and if i go away in shadow or to pull im alwais there a fraction of moment too late were i could have turn the whole battle the other way. Maybe i just need to pratice more with him, while writting this i find that alot of problems that i have with abandon, i experience the exact same with dazzle, honestly a 0.25 to 0.5 sec of less casting time with him and i would win 90% of my games with him. I dont feel like these changes would create overpowered heros, it would just make the heros more impactfull and people would have to play a bit better againts them. Sometimes my grave just wont cast, im spamming like a maniac but i cant get it off because im alwais interupted. Also the self cast weave/heal (were u double tap to cast on yourself) feels slightly faster then the i weave at a specific target. | ||
MrHoon
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:33 TheYango wrote: Slardar bash uses PRD while SB bash doesn't though. I wonder if you could code the PRD properly in Dota 1 given how charge and ult both also proc the bash. As in, would that reset the chance (even though they don't trigger the CD)? PS is dota 2 PRD the correct chance? because I know that Dota 1 PRD is a lower % than it says on the tooltip. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:33 TheYango wrote: Slardar bash uses PRD while SB bash doesn't though. PRD ? mind explaining slang Edit: post retarded deficiency? | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
It was absurd. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
Nice patch. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:36 Comeh wrote: As much as I hate the early point in Bash, I was playing LD against a trilane the other day, and I died merely because Slardar got 3 1 hit bashes on me with only 1 point in it. Meanwhile I had over 20 hits with no roots on heros in a row. It was absurd. gotta believe in that RNGG | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
PRD = Pseudo Random Distribution, a method of linearizing "random" chances like bashes so that a 25% chance occurs once every 4 attacks ON AVERAGE but also is less likely to occur multiple times in a row or have long droughts. Basically, instead of a 25% chance to bash every hit, I get a 7% chance the first hit, if I don't bash the second hit is 14% chance, etc. Once you hit it goes back to 7% for the next hit. It averages out to the same but less rage-inducing strings of hits or misses that "shouldn't" happen (they should but people get mad at them anyway and they feel less skill-based). Note: 7% increases prolly doesn't average to 25% but this is just an example. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:35 Darkren wrote: PRD ? mind explaining slang Edit: post retarded deficiency? Pseudo-random distribution, basically it was a way for Blizzard to make Chance on Hit skills to be less random and a bit more consistent so people wont get 15 bashes in a row and don't get shit for the nex 85 (theoretically ofcourse, but statistics sucks in general). Spells based off the wc3 Bash/Evasion/Crit/Damageblock abilities were a subject to these things however there are certain spells in Dota 1 that couldn't be done by normal means of custom spell editing so some passives were made through Jass and Triggers. These trigger/jass based spells didn't follow the PRD rules so they were much more random. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Skill gap and all. I kinda wish SB's bash was PRD though because 17% is so brutally unreliable. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
NEvermind not talking to me. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:49 Sn0_Man wrote: TBH PRD is kinda abuseable since there is no timer on the chance reset so you know if you *don't* bash a creep 6 or 7 (or more) hits in a row, you can run up to a hero and have an absurd (50%+ in some cases) chance to bash them. Skill gap and all. I kinda wish SB's bash was PRD though because 17% is so brutally unreliable. Is it a BAD thing that you can plan for PRD? Seems to me like a good thing. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
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