EPTOn September 06 2013 17:29 ReignSupreme. wrote:
edit i wasnt thinking properly, its still useless
edit i wasnt thinking properly, its still useless
doesnt mean he doesn't have an aghanims upgrade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (which is what the argument was)
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doesnt mean he doesn't have an aghanims upgrade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (which is what the argument was) | ||
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heavenz
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1) go low prio 2) one player of your team disconnects for the first few min from the game 3)camp mid with stunners, first blood him 4) the disconnected player joins (everyone thought he was never gonna join anyways...), but he disconnects on purpose, but continues playing (so it's free to leave but doesn't go non stats) 5) 1.st blooded mid leaves, rest follows luckily I was there only for a brief periode, interesting though... | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On September 06 2013 17:24 Kishin2 wrote: ??? If rubick gets aghs and steals an ultimate, he gets the upgraded ultimate. Is stealing an ult and throwing it back stronger not awesome? that depends on you actually stealing the ultimate and the stolen ultimate even having an ags upgrade. | ||
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Iplaythings
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On September 06 2013 13:26 Kuroeeah wrote: i still think the easiest heroes to be consistent with is lone druid and furion. furion isnt hard to play, he just requires you to be good at item choices and map awareness (and some treant micro if youre gosu) LD is semily hard to play imo, but then again I don't really know what carry hero is easy to play, I'd say Spectre or PA but then again "easy" cahnges from person to person | ||
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Dattish
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On September 06 2013 17:58 Dattish wrote: imo, rubicks aghanim should let him either keep spells when he dies or let him keep spells as long as he doesn't die or steal a new one without a time limit. Yeah something like this would be decent. Was thinking of allowing to steal ally spells, but that would be just broken haha. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
On September 06 2013 17:46 Doraemon wrote: that depends on you actually stealing the ultimate and the stolen ultimate even having an ags upgrade. What's wrong with that? Rubick's ultimate is skill based in nature. A lot of ultis have an agh upgrade and more are consistently being added. How many high priority ults don't have an aghs upgrade? Besides game changing ultis like black hole, I can't even think of any off the top of my head. Anyways, that's not the point. The idea that rubick with aghs can steal a 300 damage spell and cast it back as a 400 damage spell is already cool. His passive fits with this idea too. Honestly, all these suggestions for spell steal upgrades sound overpowered. Stealing 2 spells would be blatantly overpowered. I think if Icefrog wanted to implement an aghs upgrade for spell steal, it'd be something like lowering the delay to acquire a stolen spell. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:42 Kishin2 wrote: What's wrong with that? Rubick's ultimate is skill based in nature. A lot of ultis have an agh upgrade and more are consistently being added. How many high priority ults don't have an aghs upgrade? Besides game changing ultis like black hole, I can't even think of any off the top of my head. Anyways, that's not the point. The idea that rubick with aghs can steal a 300 damage spell and cast it back as a 400 damage spell is already cool. His passive fits with this idea too. Honestly, all these suggestions for spell steal upgrades sound overpowered. Stealing 2 spells would be blatantly overpowered. I think if Icefrog wanted to implement an aghs upgrade for spell steal, it'd be something like lowering the delay to acquire a stolen spell. The problem is that having an agha on rubick is: If the ulti becomes that much stronger with an agha (say, warlock), then the opponent is most likely going to go for it himself, rendering you getting one completely pointless. I don't think keeping stolen spells through death or gaining them without time limit sounds that OP tbh, it is an expensive item after all. I know this would be a stupid amount of work, but I think agha upgrade on rubick should make every normal spell he steal a tiny bit stronger. A 200 dmg nuke could maybe become 250 or even 300? Nyx carapace could last a second longer, or Burrow Strike could stun for 0.5 second longer. It would be really cool, make the item viable, and you could change the numbers as much as you'd want to keep it from being OP. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:50 Excludos wrote: The problem is that having an agha on rubick is: If the ulti becomes that much stronger with an agha (say, warlock), then the opponent is most likely going to go for it himself, rendering you getting one completely pointless. I don't think keeping stolen spells through death or gaining them without time limit sounds that OP tbh, it is an expensive item after all. I know this would be a stupid amount of work, but I think agha upgrade on rubick should make every normal spell he steal a tiny bit stronger. A 200 dmg nuke could maybe become 250 or even 300? Nyx carapace could last a second longer, or Burrow Strike could stun for 0.5 second longer. It would be really cool, make the item viable, and you could change the numbers as much as you'd want to keep it from being OP. That just way too much effort to code, especially in wc3. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:57 Yoshi- wrote: That just way too much effort to code, especially in wc3. I don't disagree. It would be way too much work, and there is so much else this game needs to fix before they should even think of doing it. But its a cool idea I think. | ||
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Canada1873 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On September 06 2013 17:57 Iplaythings wrote: furion isnt hard to play, he just requires you to be good at item choices and map awareness (and some treant micro if youre gosu) LD is semily hard to play imo, but then again I don't really know what carry hero is easy to play, I'd say Spectre or PA but then again "easy" cahnges from person to person lone druid is way easier to play than ppl believe | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 06 2013 19:20 teddyoojo wrote: lone druid is way easier to play than ppl believe LD is hard to play because he's mindnumbing. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
On September 06 2013 18:50 Excludos wrote: The problem is that having an agha on rubick is: If the ulti becomes that much stronger with an agha (say, warlock), then the opponent is most likely going to go for it himself, rendering you getting one completely pointless. I don't think keeping stolen spells through death or gaining them without time limit sounds that OP tbh, it is an expensive item after all. I know this would be a stupid amount of work, but I think agha upgrade on rubick should make every normal spell he steal a tiny bit stronger. A 200 dmg nuke could maybe become 250 or even 300? Nyx carapace could last a second longer, or Burrow Strike could stun for 0.5 second longer. It would be really cool, make the item viable, and you could change the numbers as much as you'd want to keep it from being OP. That's not the problem with aghanims on rubick. There are 5 enemy heroes. That means there are potentially 5 aghable ultimates to steal. The ulti upgrade on aghs has no effect for rubick if all enemy heroes with aghable ultis get aghs, but if that happens who cares. It also still gives stats, health, and mana, so it's never useless. The problem with aghanims on rubick is the same problem every other hero has when getting aghanims: you lose 4200 gold for other items. Aghanims is and has always been situational for 99% of all heroes. Keeping stolen spells through death or no time limit is completely OP, but that's probably beside the point. Aghanims either buffs the numbers on an ultimate (200 damage -> 300 damage) or removes limitations of an ultimate (lower cd, more range, etc.). It does this without fundamentally changing it. No ultimates in dota are overpowered because they all have a weakness. Aghanims giving spell steal either of those benefits (retain spells on death, no time limits) fundamentally changes it and removes a weakness. No agh upgrades do this, for good reason. It would be as if aghs on juggernaut made it so omnislash only targets heroes. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On September 06 2013 19:20 teddyoojo wrote: lone druid is way easier to play than ppl believe People overestimate the difficulty of heroes that involve microing more than one unit. I've even seen Enchantress described as a hard hero even though she has 3 straightforward actives. | ||
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