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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 21:25:02
September 04 2013 21:24 GMT
#75961
I didn't use custom hotkeys at WC3 Dota. All legacy and left it the way Icefrog set it up. Only for items.

QWER though is nice for me now. As well as using Alt + QWEASD for items.
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
September 04 2013 21:54 GMT
#75962
On September 05 2013 06:18 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 05:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
On September 05 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:
There's also a lot of people who played years of DotA 1, quit for whatever reason (I know Aui played SC2 for a while, so there's that), and came back to the game for DotA 2. For those players, it's not unreasonable that their muscle memory for legacy keys wouldn't be strong enough for them to just switch to QWER.


I don't think it would be muscle memory, rather just preference.

Ther'es no way you lose muscle memory for legacy keys. I last played Dota 1 over 6 years ago before I touched Dota 2, and my fingers still knew exactly where all they legacy keys should be.

Yes, but enough heroes have been added in 6 years that unless you're fine putting in all the effort to learn the new heroes' hotkeys, you'd rather just switch to QWER.

That's the way it was for me at least. I knew all the heroes I did before, but I didn't want to bother learning all the new ones.

Or maybe you've been spending too much time in LoL.

But seriously, I think QWER is just superior in every way. I still don't get all those oldschoolers who stick to legacy keys. Sure it might be awkward getting used to a new setup but why not put in that effort if it's superior.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
September 04 2013 21:58 GMT
#75963
QWER feels too tight, I like the little hand spread you get with legacy.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 21:58:53
September 04 2013 21:58 GMT
#75964
You talking about hotkeys here. What superiority measure are you using? If someone is so comfortable with legacy that they are able to use everything when they want surely that is the most you can ever get out of hotkeys? What other kind of metric do you use to gauge if one setup is superior to another?

Seems like something that you can't really make such absolute statements with.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 04 2013 21:58 GMT
#75965
On September 05 2013 06:58 Gosi wrote:
QWER feels too tight, I like the little hand spread you get with legacy.

I bet you dont even automine in sc2 you monster.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
September 04 2013 22:25 GMT
#75966
On September 05 2013 06:58 Numy wrote:
You talking about hotkeys here. What superiority measure are you using? If someone is so comfortable with legacy that they are able to use everything when they want surely that is the most you can ever get out of hotkeys? What other kind of metric do you use to gauge if one setup is superior to another?

Seems like something that you can't really make such absolute statements with.


Finger efficiency/distance traveled. I could see an argument being made that it makes it easier/less painful to play for long stretches of time, but performance-wise I doubt it'll ever be the difference between a win/loss unless you hit the wrong key at a critical moment, which can happen with either setup.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
September 04 2013 22:25 GMT
#75967
The lack of custom hotkey support in dota2 is my biggest gripe with the game ><. In dota1 I used warkeys to set all skills to WERT, but with the order dependent on the frequency of use, customized for each hero. IE for weaver I had W for sukushi, E for swarm and R for timelapse. For LD I had W for rabid E for battle cry, R for true form and T for spirit bear, etc.
In dota2 I just use plain WERT and I dont like it .
I also hate it when people refer to the skills as QWER =p, sometimes I dont know the order the skills come in, especially if it's a hero I havent played in literally 5 or more years like spirit breaker or mirana.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
September 04 2013 22:29 GMT
#75968
On September 05 2013 07:25 KlaCkoN wrote:
The lack of custom hotkey support in dota2 is my biggest gripe with the game ><. In dota1 I used warkeys to set all skills to WERT, but with the order dependent on the frequency of use, customized for each hero. IE for weaver I had W for sukushi, E for swarm and R for timelapse. For LD I had W for rabid E for battle cry, R for true form and T for spirit bear, etc.
In dota2 I just use plain WERT and I dont like it .
I also hate it when people refer to the skills as QWER =p, sometimes I dont know the order the skills come in, especially if it's a hero I havent played in literally 5 or more years like spirit breaker or mirana.


I think the names of some of them are much harder to remember than which key its on. Though I would usually say use your arrow (mirana) or charge (spirit breaker) than the respective letter.
LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
September 04 2013 22:43 GMT
#75969
A slightly unusual question:

has any professional team ever released a VOD of themselves playing a serious match that included their voicechat?
I've often wondered how in-game communication works on pro level... if its very methodical or if they also go with the flow of the game etc...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 22:47:05
September 04 2013 22:46 GMT
#75970
On September 05 2013 07:43 LSF wrote:
A slightly unusual question:

has any professional team ever released a VOD of themselves playing a serious match that included their voicechat?
I've often wondered how in-game communication works on pro level... if its very methodical or if they also go with the flow of the game etc...


I cant remember whether the "new Na'Vi" after AA and LoH left, used voice in their scrims that they streamed to people. Serious match? Hard to say.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 04 2013 22:48 GMT
#75971
On September 05 2013 05:27 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 03:49 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I heard someone ask for sniper build, so here is the steam guide that you need!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=130832145
keep in mind sometimes you can skip ulti until lvl7/8 if you dont have the mana to cast it (while you are busy taking tower with shrapnel, the standard time for a 'pushy lane' of taking down a T1 is before 5mins)

I am addicted to the hero, i played him for 3 games in my limited time of playing dota last week T_T I used to wonder why steve likes that noob hero but now i am addicted to him.

Also this is my sniper gears:
I look like a big squirrel with a big gun in game
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You think you got a cool looking Sniper? Check this out:
[image loading]

That's right, a Compendium Fantasy Challenge tagged Killstealer. Managed to trade that for a stupid Chen head. :D


Lol I got that rifle so I'm not bothered with the tag xD I got all the available rifles except that latest one!

Well I don't mind to swap my tagged jugger mega kill with ya :D

is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 23:36:46
September 04 2013 22:54 GMT
#75972
On September 05 2013 07:43 LSF wrote:
A slightly unusual question:

has any professional team ever released a VOD of themselves playing a serious match that included their voicechat?
I've often wondered how in-game communication works on pro level... if its very methodical or if they also go with the flow of the game etc...

I remember Synderen did it with mTw I think, but he was on own3d so I guess vods don't exist anymore Check his twitch channel, there's a slight chance.
I remember another team who did it..fnatic ? Or Kaipi ?

edit : yes it was QPAD I was thinking of as someone posted
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 04 2013 23:01 GMT
#75973
i remember that in hon sometimes a team let the broadcaster in their vent and just listen them talking while streaming the match
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
SFC
Profile Joined December 2011
2053 Posts
September 04 2013 23:05 GMT
#75974
Early Qpad streamed some of their scims against Nth and stuff. I think the vods were deleted though.
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
September 04 2013 23:07 GMT
#75975
On September 05 2013 07:54 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 07:43 LSF wrote:
A slightly unusual question:

has any professional team ever released a VOD of themselves playing a serious match that included their voicechat?
I've often wondered how in-game communication works on pro level... if its very methodical or if they also go with the flow of the game etc...

I remember Synderen did it with mTw I think, but he was on own3d so I guess vods don't exist anymore Check his twitch channel, there's a slight chance.
I remember another team who did it..fnatic ? Or Kaipi ?

Syndaren did it with Mouz as well during their bootcamp for TI3.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
September 04 2013 23:12 GMT
#75976
Thanks guys, I guess I'll have a look at synderens channel, probably my best chance
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
September 04 2013 23:24 GMT
#75977
Watching TC play TC mid with 0-4-4-0 build makes me think this hero is completely broken..
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 04 2013 23:49 GMT
#75978
On September 05 2013 08:24 AwfuL_ wrote:
Watching TC play TC mid with 0-4-4-0 build makes me think this hero is completely broken..

i did it first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 04 2013 23:50 GMT
#75979
I switched to QWER after Invoker was added I believe(they didn't support legacy at his release).

Oddly enough its QWEF and not QWER here.
WriterXiao8~~
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 00:11:34
September 05 2013 00:06 GMT
#75980
I've stuck with legacy. I've switched around item hotkeys a bit so I reconfigure that at the start of every game in case something overrides. QWER isn't comfortable at all for me but I've contemplated switching to WERT.

Also, I somewhat feel like always having different keys for each hero makes the game less repetitive.
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