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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 04 2013 20:27 GMT
#75941
On September 05 2013 03:49 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I heard someone ask for sniper build, so here is the steam guide that you need!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=130832145
keep in mind sometimes you can skip ulti until lvl7/8 if you dont have the mana to cast it (while you are busy taking tower with shrapnel, the standard time for a 'pushy lane' of taking down a T1 is before 5mins)

I am addicted to the hero, i played him for 3 games in my limited time of playing dota last week T_T I used to wonder why steve likes that noob hero but now i am addicted to him.

Also this is my sniper gears:
I look like a big squirrel with a big gun in game
[image loading]

You think you got a cool looking Sniper? Check this out:
[image loading]

That's right, a Compendium Fantasy Challenge tagged Killstealer. Managed to trade that for a stupid Chen head. :D
super gg
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
September 04 2013 20:27 GMT
#75942
I just thought of something!

You can do the Chen + Pudge sendback to fountain with hook, and you can do the same with skewer, or so I've heard.

Wouldn't you actually be able to do the same with rp? It moves all the opponents, and ... yeah, I think this could be done, right?
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 04 2013 20:29 GMT
#75943
Source pls. I don't think he has played dota at all considering he calls the skills with q, w, e and r.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 20:29 GMT
#75944
A) I believe they fixed skewer
B) No, you can't do it with RP since RP relocates them at the same time it detects them. If the end location was the fountain you'd only hit people in the fountain.

Essentially, RP resolves instantly so it wouldn't work.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 20:32:18
September 04 2013 20:30 GMT
#75945
On September 05 2013 05:29 BlitzerSC wrote:
Source pls. I don't think he has played dota at all considering he calls the skills with q, w, e and r.

What? There are loads of people who have picked up Dota 2 who refer to them by QWER because they think it's simpler. I don't like it because it's confusing but it's still done.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 04 2013 20:30 GMT
#75946
On September 05 2013 05:29 BlitzerSC wrote:
Source pls. I don't think he has played dota at all considering he calls the skills with q, w, e and r.

I've played WC3 customs with him. He played a lot of dota 1.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 04 2013 20:31 GMT
#75947
You should check if he clicks to level skills. That's the sign of a true noob.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
September 04 2013 20:37 GMT
#75948
On September 05 2013 05:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
A) I believe they fixed skewer
B) No, you can't do it with RP since RP relocates them at the same time it detects them. If the end location was the fountain you'd only hit people in the fountain.

Essentially, RP resolves instantly so it wouldn't work.

The reason I ask is this:


A pudge hook relocates the magnus while he's casting rp.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 04 2013 20:37 GMT
#75949
There's also a lot of people who played years of DotA 1, quit for whatever reason (I know Aui played SC2 for a while, so there's that), and came back to the game for DotA 2. For those players, it's not unreasonable that their muscle memory for legacy keys wouldn't be strong enough for them to just switch to QWER.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 20:40:39
September 04 2013 20:39 GMT
#75950
I've heard Aui on several occasions reference Dota 1 in terms of how mechanics work.

I think it's safe to assume every pro player played Dota 1 unless they say they haven't. Which there are a few off, but they're all HoN players.

Of course there's tons that never really played competitively.
On September 05 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:
There's also a lot of people who played years of DotA 1, quit for whatever reason (I know Aui played SC2 for a while, so there's that), and came back to the game for DotA 2. For those players, it's not unreasonable that their muscle memory for legacy keys wouldn't be strong enough for them to just switch to QWER.
Well using QWER isn't weird, a lot of people used custom keys in WC3 as well and it's a relatively easy switch.

It's referring to the skills as QWER, which is something most old school players don't do.
Once you Goblak...
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 04 2013 20:43 GMT
#75951
There are also people, like me, who used WarKeys to switch to QWER or something similar.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#75952
On September 05 2013 05:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are also people, like me, who used WarKeys to switch to QWER or something similar.


I'd imagine people who didn't use some form of custom hotkeys in wc3 were the minority.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
miyuki
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland47 Posts
September 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#75953
HoN was a pretty good gateway to QWER as well. I think it's a reasonably more convenient layout for anyone if only you bother to go for it, but that's just a personal preference.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 04 2013 20:48 GMT
#75954
On September 05 2013 05:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are also people, like me, who used WarKeys to switch to QWER or something similar.

Warkeys was pretty much a must if you had Polish version of WC3 because someone thought it would be a wise idea to change the hotkeys as well (tho i think they were kinda forced to since the hotkeys were usually the highlighted letters), so IIRC if you tried to pick lvlup ability you ordered your character to hold position instead
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 04 2013 20:49 GMT
#75955
On September 05 2013 05:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 05:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There are also people, like me, who used WarKeys to switch to QWER or something similar.


I'd imagine people who didn't use some form of custom hotkeys in wc3 were the minority.

For spells, not really. The biggest reason was item horkey.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
September 04 2013 20:54 GMT
#75956
On September 05 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:
There's also a lot of people who played years of DotA 1, quit for whatever reason (I know Aui played SC2 for a while, so there's that), and came back to the game for DotA 2. For those players, it's not unreasonable that their muscle memory for legacy keys wouldn't be strong enough for them to just switch to QWER.


I don't think it would be muscle memory, rather just preference.

Ther'es no way you lose muscle memory for legacy keys. I last played Dota 1 over 6 years ago before I touched Dota 2, and my fingers still knew exactly where all they legacy keys should be.
secret - never again
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 04 2013 20:57 GMT
#75957
On September 05 2013 05:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:
There's also a lot of people who played years of DotA 1, quit for whatever reason (I know Aui played SC2 for a while, so there's that), and came back to the game for DotA 2. For those players, it's not unreasonable that their muscle memory for legacy keys wouldn't be strong enough for them to just switch to QWER.


I don't think it would be muscle memory, rather just preference.

Ther'es no way you lose muscle memory for legacy keys. I last played Dota 1 over 6 years ago before I touched Dota 2, and my fingers still knew exactly where all they legacy keys should be.

It's not about not being able to play legacy well, it's more about being fine either way and choosing QWER over it. People that played Dota 1 continuously need to make an effort to switch to QWER because of their muscle memory, so they often don't.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
September 04 2013 21:00 GMT
#75958
I switched to qwer, was no big deal.
Once you Goblak...
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 21:08:53
September 04 2013 21:02 GMT
#75959
On September 05 2013 05:21 BlitzerSC wrote:
Aui_2000 maybe ?
Edit: It depends on what you mean with "near the top".


Able to play vs pros. Like people who would play in like the full sail. I'd consider near the top like the challenger league of WCS, very good but not necessarily pro.

It's actually kind of discouraging, end goal for me in any game is to play on a competitive level (not pro, but mid teir amateur no prize money kind of things) regardless if I reach that goal, most games I've played to date it's been reachable but I quit WC3 dota in 2006 and didn't play it until Dota 2 beta which leads me to think I might have fallen to far behind the curve to catch up.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 04 2013 21:18 GMT
#75960
On September 05 2013 05:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:
There's also a lot of people who played years of DotA 1, quit for whatever reason (I know Aui played SC2 for a while, so there's that), and came back to the game for DotA 2. For those players, it's not unreasonable that their muscle memory for legacy keys wouldn't be strong enough for them to just switch to QWER.


I don't think it would be muscle memory, rather just preference.

Ther'es no way you lose muscle memory for legacy keys. I last played Dota 1 over 6 years ago before I touched Dota 2, and my fingers still knew exactly where all they legacy keys should be.

Yes, but enough heroes have been added in 6 years that unless you're fine putting in all the effort to learn the new heroes' hotkeys, you'd rather just switch to QWER.

That's the way it was for me at least. I knew all the heroes I did before, but I didn't want to bother learning all the new ones.
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