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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
September 04 2013 17:30 GMT
#75881
On September 05 2013 02:27 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:26 Dattish wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:11 Andr3 wrote:
Give me one guy that only played DotA for 1-2 years and is now playing at a high level?

Like literally everyone has years of experience in dota1, others in HoN and even those played lots of dota before.

Bulldog started in Dota 2 I believe.

he started competitive in dota 2, he played wc3 dota without a doubt.

this points to that being true. Our beloved Liquipedia has no real information on the subject, sadly.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 04 2013 17:30 GMT
#75882
you guys are funny... dota1 and dota2 is pretty much the same game. The experience does transfer and the skill cap does raise over time. Defining 'high level' meaning belong near the skill cap. With that, it would almost impossible for anyone who just play this game for ~2 years to be as good as.... Loda who play the game for almost a decade.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 04 2013 17:31 GMT
#75883
On September 05 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:24 WindWolf wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:19 WindWolf wrote:
Bloodseeker from RoxKis in Starladder right now

Is there an AM on the other team?

No, but a PL

All right, I don't know then. There was theory crafting on Dota Insight of using Bloodseeker ult to lock down an AM, since there is no way to stop it and he would be totally fucked if he blinked. I have no idea why they would pick him against a PL. Or maybe they just want to lose?

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:24 TheYango wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:22 Plansix wrote:
Must not freak out at misuse of the word literally....vein in head pulsing.....

Strictly speaking the dictionary definition now includes the use of "literally" for emphasis now as well.


Damn it, they have won


BS in the 1 slot is better than BS in the mid. Bloodrage dispel isn't insignficant either.
Get it by your hands...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2013 17:31 GMT
#75884
On September 05 2013 02:28 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:24 WindWolf wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:19 WindWolf wrote:
Bloodseeker from RoxKis in Starladder right now

Is there an AM on the other team?

No, but a PL

All right, I don't know then. There was theory crafting on Dota Insight of using Bloodseeker ult to lock down an AM, since there is no way to stop it and he would be totally fucked if he blinked. I have no idea why they would pick him against a PL. Or maybe they just want to lose?

IIRC, Bloodseeker was RoxKis last pick which was followed up byNext.kz picking PL

Well, we will know if was a good idea in about an hour.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
September 04 2013 17:32 GMT
#75885
bulldog has played dota for at least 6 years I think
he said something along those lines in an interview

kzz, who is considered one of the best unsponsored na players by many, started with dota 2 i think
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
September 04 2013 17:32 GMT
#75886
On September 05 2013 02:30 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:27 Kuroeeah wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:26 Dattish wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:11 Andr3 wrote:
Give me one guy that only played DotA for 1-2 years and is now playing at a high level?

Like literally everyone has years of experience in dota1, others in HoN and even those played lots of dota before.

Bulldog started in Dota 2 I believe.

he started competitive in dota 2, he played wc3 dota without a doubt.

this points to that being true. Our beloved Liquipedia has no real information on the subject, sadly.
Liquipedia has basically nothing on Dota 1.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 04 2013 17:33 GMT
#75887
How do you people build a sniper? I usually like going headshot/shrapnel/headshot/shrapnel/shrapnel/ult/shrapnel/max take aim/max shrapnel/take ult when possible. As for items I like going for a fast aquila, then mana boots, shadowblade, orchid. Magic wand somewhere in there, too.

I really think caster sniper is the way to go on that hero. I like how easily you cant take towers early with shrapnel and I find that Sniper is one of the heroes that can use mana regen the most. His ultimate has such a low cooldown and high manacost that you really can't have enough mana regen on him. And if you have a lot of mana regen it's really hard for the enemies to fight you... Whenever you see a hero, just ult him, if you ult the same hero twice, he's almost dead and can't possibly participate in a teamfight, until he heals up. It's almost as annoying as kotl's illuminate when trying to push highground against. When you go for a rightclicking sniper, I feel like you just can't do this, because you're constantly out of mana.

Btw, pretty sure Era never played WC3 DotA. He played a lot of HoN tho, ofc.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 17:35:00
September 04 2013 17:34 GMT
#75888
On September 05 2013 02:33 cecek wrote:
Btw, pretty sure Era never played WC3 DotA. He played a lot of HoN tho, ofc.
The point that he made was that everyone has either played DotA or HoN. There are quite a few who only really played HoN.
Once you Goblak...
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
September 04 2013 17:34 GMT
#75889
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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
September 04 2013 17:34 GMT
#75890
On September 05 2013 02:05 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 01:54 Nocticate wrote:
On September 05 2013 00:51 eXeYukon wrote:
So I'm in high school (17 years old) and do play games a lot, got into starcraft got to diamond league and now I think I'm done. It's just not as fun as it used to be, and the goal of being a progamer in college just doesn't seem attainable in that game. So I play leagues (I know I'm sorry) because all my friends do, so I have Moba xp. and I have about 3 games of DOTA2 played. I watched the finals of Ti3 and was shocked at how fun it was.
So my honest question is if I'm looking to take Dota2 serious, but have a lot to learn where do I even start. I've read some of the beginning tutorials and stuff but it is just such a daunting task starting a whole new game and learning a new meta and what not.
anyone with any tips or really anything just let me know! thanks!

Becoming a pro in Dota takes years of work. I'm serious. The only real exception would be if you came from a HoN background which it sounds like you don't. The game requires an insane amount of fundamental knowledge and understanding. There's less mechanical skill requirements than Starcraft has but strategic knowledge is a requirement. You really need to know just about every skill in the game inside out, its interactions with other skills, its damage and cost and effects at every rank, what rank its likely to be at given a certain point in the game or a certain playstyle, and you need to make that calculation in a split second. You need to have a deep and fundamental knowledge of what your enemies are likely to be doing with very few hints and you need to know why they're doing what they're doing and what that could possibly mean about the Bane who may or may not be smoked and waiting to pull off a counter-gank. You need to be able to completely get into your enemy's head. There's no good way to practice that besides playing hundreds of games. There's no chance you'll be considered for a decent team without your strategic and gameplay knowledge being fairly high, and you need strong mechanical skill and decision-making ability as well, although being able to just play the game isn't all that hard. You don't learn the meta, you learn the game. The meta is loose. There are a couple heroes at any given time that are too strong (but can be countered) and besides those heroes and the heroes that are far too weak or situational, you can pick pretty much whatever you want. There's a strategy for just about every hero.

that is bullshit, you dont need YEARS to become a pro at anything (if you have a background in something similar and lol is very similar), a year or 2 max or complete dedication is enough to get to a high enough level to play for a professional team


I don't think there's a single player in the pro scene that hasn't played dota 1, hon, dota 2 for at least 4+ years (both pubbing and competitively).
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 04 2013 17:35 GMT
#75891
I think there is something to be said about dota requiring experience. Almost everything in this game point to that the longer you play this game, the better you play it (to a point, and then other factors come in).
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2013 17:35 GMT
#75892
On September 05 2013 02:31 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:24 WindWolf wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:19 WindWolf wrote:
Bloodseeker from RoxKis in Starladder right now

Is there an AM on the other team?

No, but a PL

All right, I don't know then. There was theory crafting on Dota Insight of using Bloodseeker ult to lock down an AM, since there is no way to stop it and he would be totally fucked if he blinked. I have no idea why they would pick him against a PL. Or maybe they just want to lose?

On September 05 2013 02:24 TheYango wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:22 Plansix wrote:
Must not freak out at misuse of the word literally....vein in head pulsing.....

Strictly speaking the dictionary definition now includes the use of "literally" for emphasis now as well.


Damn it, they have won


BS in the 1 slot is better than BS in the mid. Bloodrage dispel isn't insignficant either.

That was sort of the idea as well, since Anti-mage gets a lot of his tankyness from being resistant to magic and fucking squirley. An Anti-mage that cant move is a sad anti-mage. But it was all theory crafting, so it could be terrible.

Although I do want to see someone hit NP with rupture right when he teleports.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
September 04 2013 17:37 GMT
#75893
Well yeah, there's a lot of things which no one would really calculate but a long time player would have the experience to know.

Like you see Mushi doing these crazy dives he escapes with 1 auto-attack left until he dies. He's not sitting there counting the damage of 3-4 spells + auto-attacks before he goes in, you just get that feeling of how much things will hurt when you've played a lot.
Once you Goblak...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 17:38:37
September 04 2013 17:37 GMT
#75894
ixmike was fiending sniper games in IXDL on stream last night. His build was headshot/shrap/shrap/take aim/shrap/ult/shrap into take-aim max into headshot max.

so
3/1/1/1 @ 6, 4/1/4/2 @ 11.

He was mid sniper with bottle rush into treads/shadowblade/mkb in that order.

On September 05 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:
Although I do want to see someone hit NP with rupture right when he teleports.

Doesn't work, its just like a TP scroll (unless he goes less than 1600 distance or soemthign).
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 04 2013 17:38 GMT
#75895
Max shrapnel first because it's really good for fighting and taking towers early. Take only 1 point of take aim and headshot during the laning phase ( take aim is super overrated during the first 10/15 minutes of the game ). Max take aim second and headshot at last. The item build depends on the game but I personally like Eul's sceptre, BoTs, Yasha and then some damage item like crit or mkb.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2013 17:39 GMT
#75896
On September 05 2013 02:37 teapoted wrote:
Well yeah, there's a lot of things which no one would really calculate but a long time player would have the experience to know.

Like you see Mushi doing these crazy dives he escapes with 1 auto-attack left until he dies. He's not sitting there counting the damage of 3-4 spells + auto-attacks before he goes in, you just get that feeling of how much things will hurt when you've played a lot.

Just think of the number of times he tried that and failed in the process of learning exactly when to jump out. And learning it so well he just does it by instinct.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2013 17:43 GMT
#75897
On September 05 2013 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
ixmike was fiending sniper games in IXDL on stream last night. His build was headshot/shrap/shrap/take aim/shrap/ult/shrap into take-aim max into headshot max.

so
3/1/1/1 @ 6, 4/1/4/2 @ 11.

He was mid sniper with bottle rush into treads/shadowblade/mkb in that order.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:
Although I do want to see someone hit NP with rupture right when he teleports.

Doesn't work, its just like a TP scroll (unless he goes less than 1600 distance or soemthign).

I know, unless he jumped a tiny distance it wouldn't work. Better to silence him with the bloodrage, but I am not even sure that would work. This is why the pros and the pros, because they don't need to look this stuff up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
September 04 2013 17:47 GMT
#75898
On September 05 2013 02:43 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
ixmike was fiending sniper games in IXDL on stream last night. His build was headshot/shrap/shrap/take aim/shrap/ult/shrap into take-aim max into headshot max.

so
3/1/1/1 @ 6, 4/1/4/2 @ 11.

He was mid sniper with bottle rush into treads/shadowblade/mkb in that order.

On September 05 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:
Although I do want to see someone hit NP with rupture right when he teleports.

Doesn't work, its just like a TP scroll (unless he goes less than 1600 distance or soemthign).

I know, unless he jumped a tiny distance it wouldn't work. Better to silence him with the bloodrage, but I am not even sure that would work. This is why the pros and the pros, because they don't need to look this stuff up.

since it's just a long cast time ability, it should be stopped by a silence.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 04 2013 17:48 GMT
#75899
Why do you get an early take aim, instead of second level in headshot? Level 1 headshot is just 15 damage, level 2 is 40. That's a huge difference. I find it more important than the extra range in most cases, you still have 550 range, which is not awful, you won't really get bullied by 600 range enemies, I don't think.
super gg
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 04 2013 17:55 GMT
#75900
On September 05 2013 02:48 cecek wrote:
Why do you get an early take aim, instead of second level in headshot? Level 1 headshot is just 15 damage, level 2 is 40. That's a huge difference. I find it more important than the extra range in most cases, you still have 550 range, which is not awful, you won't really get bullied by 600 range enemies, I don't think.

early on the ministun is more valuable than the 25 damage you'd gain from a second level of headshot. the range lets you not die as a hero that dies when he gets ganked.
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