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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On September 05 2013 00:51 eXeYukon wrote: So I'm in high school (17 years old) and do play games a lot, got into starcraft got to diamond league and now I think I'm done. It's just not as fun as it used to be, and the goal of being a progamer in college just doesn't seem attainable in that game. So I play leagues (I know I'm sorry) because all my friends do, so I have Moba xp. and I have about 3 games of DOTA2 played. I watched the finals of Ti3 and was shocked at how fun it was. So my honest question is if I'm looking to take Dota2 serious, but have a lot to learn where do I even start. I've read some of the beginning tutorials and stuff but it is just such a daunting task starting a whole new game and learning a new meta and what not. anyone with any tips or really anything just let me know! thanks! Becoming a pro in Dota takes years of work. I'm serious. The only real exception would be if you came from a HoN background which it sounds like you don't. The game requires an insane amount of fundamental knowledge and understanding. There's less mechanical skill requirements than Starcraft has but strategic knowledge is a requirement. You really need to know just about every skill in the game inside out, its interactions with other skills, its damage and cost and effects at every rank, what rank its likely to be at given a certain point in the game or a certain playstyle, and you need to make that calculation in a split second. You need to have a deep and fundamental knowledge of what your enemies are likely to be doing with very few hints and you need to know why they're doing what they're doing and what that could possibly mean about the Bane who may or may not be smoked and waiting to pull off a counter-gank. You need to be able to completely get into your enemy's head. There's no good way to practice that besides playing hundreds of games. There's no chance you'll be considered for a decent team without your strategic and gameplay knowledge being fairly high, and you need strong mechanical skill and decision-making ability as well, although being able to just play the game isn't all that hard. You don't learn the meta, you learn the game. The meta is loose. There are a couple heroes at any given time that are too strong (but can be countered) and besides those heroes and the heroes that are far too weak or situational, you can pick pretty much whatever you want. There's a strategy for just about every hero. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On September 05 2013 01:54 Nocticate wrote: Becoming a pro in Dota takes years of work. I'm serious. The only real exception would be if you came from a HoN background which it sounds like you don't. The game requires an insane amount of fundamental knowledge and understanding. There's less mechanical skill requirements than Starcraft has but strategic knowledge is a requirement. You really need to know just about every skill in the game inside out, its interactions with other skills, its damage and cost and effects at every rank, what rank its likely to be at given a certain point in the game or a certain playstyle, and you need to make that calculation in a split second. You need to have a deep and fundamental knowledge of what your enemies are likely to be doing with very few hints and you need to know why they're doing what they're doing and what that could possibly mean about the Bane who may or may not be smoked and waiting to pull off a counter-gank. You need to be able to completely get into your enemy's head. There's no good way to practice that besides playing hundreds of games. There's no chance you'll be considered for a decent team without your strategic and gameplay knowledge being fairly high, and you need strong mechanical skill and decision-making ability as well, although being able to just play the game isn't all that hard. You don't learn the meta, you learn the game. The meta is loose. There are a couple heroes at any given time that are too strong (but can be countered) and besides those heroes and the heroes that are far too weak or situational, you can pick pretty much whatever you want. There's a strategy for just about every hero. that is bullshit, you dont need YEARS to become a pro at anything (if you have a background in something similar and lol is very similar), a year or 2 max or complete dedication is enough to get to a high enough level to play for a professional team | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
The big thing that I would recommend is to just find a streamer that you like and watch as much as you can to get exposed to what you are supposed to do. Then just have the dota 2 wiki on another page and constantly check skills as necessary until you realize what is going on in the game. Rinse and repeat for a while, making sure to practice on your own at the same time (hopefully with some friends more familiar than you). | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
Like literally everyone has years of experience in dota1, others in HoN and even those played lots of dota before. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:11 Andr3 wrote: Give me one guy that only played DotA for 1-2 years and is now playing at a high level? Like literally everyone has years of experience in dota1, others in HoN and even those played lots of dota before. ...Can't think of any. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:11 Andr3 wrote: Give me one guy that only played DotA for 1-2 years and is now playing at a high level? Like literally everyone has years of experience in dota1, others in HoN and even those played lots of dota before. I'll also give Select as an example that you can't just come in with some mechanics and good tutors and a good work ethic and become a high-level player fast. He wasn't even close to getting there with several months of work. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:11 Andr3 wrote: Give me one guy that only played DotA for 1-2 years and is now playing at a high level? Like literally everyone has years of experience in dota1, others in HoN and even those played lots of dota before. Must not freak out at misuse of the word literally....vein in head pulsing..... Seriously, though, everyone I play with never touched Dota Prime. I only think I played with someone who played Dota Prime in the TLIH. But then again, everyone I play with are super-pub-stars, including yours truly, so... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:19 WindWolf wrote: Bloodseeker from RoxKis in Starladder right now Is there an AM on the other team? | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:22 Plansix wrote: Must be an American thing. In Europe everyone played DotA.Must not freak out at misuse of the word literally....vein in head pulsing..... Seriously, though, everyone I play with never touched Dota Prime. I only think I played with someone who played Dota Prime in the TLIH. But then again, everyone I play with are super-pub-stars, including yours truly, so... | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
No, but a PL | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:22 Plansix wrote: Must not freak out at misuse of the word literally....vein in head pulsing..... Strictly speaking the dictionary definition now includes the use of "literally" for emphasis now as well. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Perhaps Bulldog ? (I don't know of his past so I could be wrong) But even then he's different as he trained a single hero for hours and went from there. Some said to master any discipline (be it a musical instrument, or maths, or a sport) you need to put ten thousand hours (or about 6 hours a day for 5 years), that gives a scale. | ||
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:25 MrCon wrote: Perhaps Bulldog ? (I don't know of his past so I could be wrong) But even then he's different as he trained a single hero for hours and went from there. Some said to master any discipline (be it a musical instrument, or maths, or a sport) you need to put ten thousands hours (or about 6 hours a day for 5 years), that gives a scale. he's also still got a very very small hero pool that just happens to be most of the top offlaners in the scene. also I think he played pubs in original Dota, just never went pro. Might be wrong on that though. | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
All right, I don't know then. There was theory crafting on Dota Insight of using Bloodseeker ult to lock down an AM, since there is no way to stop it and he would be totally fucked if he blinked. I have no idea why they would pick him against a PL. Or maybe they just want to lose? On September 05 2013 02:24 TheYango wrote: Strictly speaking the dictionary definition now includes the use of "literally" for emphasis now as well. Damn it, they have won  | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
he started competitive in dota 2, he played wc3 dota without a doubt. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:27 Plansix wrote: All right, I don't know then. There was theory crafting on Dota Insight of using Bloodseeker ult to lock down an AM, since there is no way to stop it and he would be totally fucked if he blinked. I have no idea why they would pick him against a PL. Or maybe they just want to lose? IIRC, Bloodseeker was RoxKis last pick which was followed up byNext.kz picking PL | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
He played dota1 for ~6 years: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/features/3384-admiralbulldog-i-am-usually-very-nervous-on-the-first-game Did you follow other games before Dota 2? For example Dota 1 or Heroes of Newerth? I played Dota 1 for like six years. It's one of my favourite games, it's really fun. After Dota 1, I played Heroes of Newerth a little because my friends switched to it and I have to go along. I didn't like it that much but since my friends are there, I play it as well. | ||
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