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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 30 2013 21:33 GMT
#75121
Did anyone try skyboss vs OD. Strangely i cant remember i have seen that match up in my games before lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 30 2013 21:34 GMT
#75122
Relying on arc for last hitting will just stack up magic stick/wand charges. I haven't really played the match up for myself so it's in theory but I don't see a good OD losing to a Zeus.

Good Zeus play is when you can last hit well without resorting to Arc.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 21:34 GMT
#75123
Skyboss does have dumb range
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 21:36 GMT
#75124
On August 31 2013 06:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
Relying on arc for last hitting will just stack up magic stick/wand charges. I haven't really played the match up for myself so it's in theory but I don't see a good OD losing to a Zeus.

Good Zeus play is when you can last hit well without resorting to Arc.

Its not about losing, its about breaking even

OD's job is to DOMINATE his lane. Thats his goal. Its not to gank. Its not just to get some levels and farm. Its to create huge pressure on mid to force the enemy team to focus more there.

If a hero can comfortably stall the lane and break even, he's won against OD
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
August 30 2013 21:41 GMT
#75125
On August 31 2013 06:33 BurningSera wrote:
Did anyone try skyboss vs OD. Strangely i cant remember i have seen that match up in my games before lol

That match-up depends on who wins it early on, if OD lasts till the later levels i'd believe OD would win it, but if Skywrath mage abuses his peaks early on and gets some kills he might be able to win the match-up based on that.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 30 2013 21:42 GMT
#75126
On August 31 2013 06:36 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 06:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
Relying on arc for last hitting will just stack up magic stick/wand charges. I haven't really played the match up for myself so it's in theory but I don't see a good OD losing to a Zeus.

Good Zeus play is when you can last hit well without resorting to Arc.

Its not about losing, its about breaking even

OD's job is to DOMINATE his lane. Thats his goal. Its not to gank. Its not just to get some levels and farm. Its to create huge pressure on mid to force the enemy team to focus more there.

If a hero can comfortably stall the lane and break even, he's won against OD

My argument is that a good OD will do just that, he'll dominate Zeus.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 21:47 GMT
#75127
On August 31 2013 06:42 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 06:36 Shaella wrote:
On August 31 2013 06:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
Relying on arc for last hitting will just stack up magic stick/wand charges. I haven't really played the match up for myself so it's in theory but I don't see a good OD losing to a Zeus.

Good Zeus play is when you can last hit well without resorting to Arc.

Its not about losing, its about breaking even

OD's job is to DOMINATE his lane. Thats his goal. Its not to gank. Its not just to get some levels and farm. Its to create huge pressure on mid to force the enemy team to focus more there.

If a hero can comfortably stall the lane and break even, he's won against OD

My argument is that a good OD will do just that, he'll dominate Zeus.

And my argument is that Zeus can simply outrange OD and break even.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 21:51:47
August 30 2013 21:50 GMT
#75128
In what world... its like you dont play dota
theorycraft is fun and all, but when you start arguing that zeus beats od in lane, you need to question your ability to play the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 30 2013 21:51 GMT
#75129
1v1 unvouch go.

Actually isn't it usually 1v1 temp-ban? Huehuehue Yoshi vs Steveling nevr 4get.

Okay sorry thats a terrible post. Shaella quit while ur behind I think.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 30 2013 21:52 GMT
#75130
Uphill matters a lot to Zeus, he needs sight. If you have to arc to last hit up hill you practically need a mid ward. Is sky boss zues or sw mage.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 30 2013 21:53 GMT
#75131
zeus doesnt fly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 30 2013 21:56 GMT
#75132
On August 31 2013 06:32 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 06:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 31 2013 06:29 Shaella wrote:
I actually think that Zeus can do pretty good against OD, because arc outranges Astral, so he can rely on that to farm up and generally make OD miserable

That really shouldn't work vs a decent OD. If nothing else you won't have the mana to lasthit with lightning very long since OD can sit between you and the creepwave, and if u use lightning to lasthit it simply pushes the wave so that he can position himself optimally.

you can use the bounces to lasthit, its not reduced by bounces
bottle crow to keep going

pushing the wave constantly makes him LH under tower

Uphill doesn't matter to zeus mostly

Its okay for a few level, and the OD takes over the lane completely.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 30 2013 21:58 GMT
#75133
Also my comment about ta and huakar wasn't their 1v1 matchup, it was all game. Huskar gets obliterated by physical damage , especially burst and no hero does more burst physical than ta for the majority of the game. The exception is when huskar has a ghost scepter, but even then doesn't psi blades still hit? And husk can't be ghosted 100% of the time, I'm terrible at ta and if the huskar has jumped me and does enough damage to kill me while ethd he still typically gets a meld refraction hit onto him.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 22:00:50
August 30 2013 22:00 GMT
#75134
Yes Huskar is basically the same deal as viper against ta, even if you go even in lane, which you won't, you still get raped after. ta hard hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 22:14:45
August 30 2013 22:12 GMT
#75135
On August 31 2013 07:00 Erasme wrote:
Yes Huskar is basically the same deal as viper against ta, even if you go even in lane, which you won't, you still get raped after. ta hard hero


I'd actually say Viper has it a bit better since at last his ulti/aids restricts her low range in teamfights. Which normally just makes her mad so she kills your team faster.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 30 2013 22:21 GMT
#75136
zues going even with od? u wanna 1v1?
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
August 30 2013 22:31 GMT
#75137
holy fuck i made it guys, legit very high playing vs wisp ck picking stacks etc, games are sooo much fun, learning a lot each game.

if only my buddy would get over his aversion to bkb on OD
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
August 30 2013 22:34 GMT
#75138
gz,enjoy playing vs huskars every other game
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 22:39:25
August 30 2013 22:39 GMT
#75139
On August 31 2013 07:34 Shadowpostin wrote:
gz,enjoy playing vs huskars every other game


Yeah and the other every other game is vs. Barathrum.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 30 2013 22:39 GMT
#75140
On August 31 2013 07:31 Klonere wrote:
holy fuck i made it guys, legit very high playing vs wisp ck picking stacks etc, games are sooo much fun, learning a lot each game.

if only my buddy would get over his aversion to bkb on OD

Grats on very high. I haven't really been playing against CK + Wisp pickers, just a lot of Pudge picks ever since Ti3 I guess....like a lot.
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