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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 20:10 GMT
#75101
burning through refraction only matters if you can make something happen once you do. Huskar can't really do much

And i'm pretty sure at rank 1 it doesn't burn charges
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:15:17
August 30 2013 20:14 GMT
#75102
On August 31 2013 05:07 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:52 trinxified wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:51 Nevuk wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:26 trinxified wrote:
Pick tinker with max laser against huskar. Only hero I see that will do reasonable against husk

TA wrecks huskar. After ghost scepter is picked it up it's not quite as even, but that's generally a fair amount of time into a game and there's always diffusal as an option.


Really? Buring Spears burns Refraction doesn't it.


TA should not get a creep in that lane unless there's something stopping huskar from hanging around the creeps.


What. TA should shit on Huskar. His range is short so he'll get hit by splash and his damage is lower than TAs so he'll get out lh anyway. Just burning through defensive refract charges doesn't make or break a lane vs TA. You still have offensive charges and Huskar hardly has kill potential pre-6 unless you make a huge blunder. TA also a better ability to push the lane which gives a greater rune control ability unless Huskars team helps that.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 30 2013 20:16 GMT
#75103
On August 31 2013 05:09 Erasme wrote:
rofl, its like saying viper crushes ta, when an above than average ta will shit on him

That one's somewhat closer. Like a lot of Viper lanes, it's quite difficult for him before level 5, but I don't think it's unreasonable for a Viper who doesn't get extremely behind before level 5 to reasonably come back into the game after that.
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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
August 30 2013 20:16 GMT
#75104
On August 31 2013 05:14 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:07 EmilA wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:52 trinxified wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:51 Nevuk wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:26 trinxified wrote:
Pick tinker with max laser against huskar. Only hero I see that will do reasonable against husk

TA wrecks huskar. After ghost scepter is picked it up it's not quite as even, but that's generally a fair amount of time into a game and there's always diffusal as an option.


Really? Buring Spears burns Refraction doesn't it.


TA should not get a creep in that lane unless there's something stopping huskar from hanging around the creeps.


What. TA should shit on Huskar. His range is short so he'll get hit by splash and his damage is lower than TAs so he'll get out lh anyway. Just burning through defensive refract charges doesn't make or break a lane vs TA.


Are you shitting me? You can't even bottle crow the damage that burning spears does now. It's so fucking massive. In any settng but on the TA's ramp the huskar should not be behind his creeps but in front of them.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 30 2013 20:21 GMT
#75105
On August 31 2013 05:16 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:14 Numy wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:07 EmilA wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:52 trinxified wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:51 Nevuk wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:26 trinxified wrote:
Pick tinker with max laser against huskar. Only hero I see that will do reasonable against husk

TA wrecks huskar. After ghost scepter is picked it up it's not quite as even, but that's generally a fair amount of time into a game and there's always diffusal as an option.


Really? Buring Spears burns Refraction doesn't it.


TA should not get a creep in that lane unless there's something stopping huskar from hanging around the creeps.


What. TA should shit on Huskar. His range is short so he'll get hit by splash and his damage is lower than TAs so he'll get out lh anyway. Just burning through defensive refract charges doesn't make or break a lane vs TA.


Are you shitting me? You can't even bottle crow the damage that burning spears does now. It's so fucking massive. In any settng but on the TA's ramp the huskar should not be behind his creeps but in front of them.

Okay. Psi blades is broken. Then, meld + refraction should kill Huskar at lvl 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 30 2013 20:23 GMT
#75106
On August 31 2013 05:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:09 Erasme wrote:
rofl, its like saying viper crushes ta, when an above than average ta will shit on him

That one's somewhat closer. Like a lot of Viper lanes, it's quite difficult for him before level 5, but I don't think it's unreasonable for a Viper who doesn't get extremely behind before level 5 to reasonably come back into the game after that.

Well, a viper who gets behind in lane doesnt usually get back in the game if the other lanes are not winning heavily. Sure, if the ta gets ganked and dies because she doesnt use her traps.. To be fair he could go even, assuming hes slightly better, with sentries and wards. But hes far more vulnerable to ganks than ta and has 0rune control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:25:38
August 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#75107
nvm
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 20:28:05
August 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#75108
Yeah, if you're trading with TA in front of her creep wave, you're still not necessarily going to win a man-fight. Burning Spears breaks Refraction over time, but a level 1 or 2 Refraction still blocks 2 autoattacks in a man-fight because you can't exactly wait 2 seconds for Burning Spears to burn through the following 2 charges.

On August 31 2013 05:23 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:16 TheYango wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:09 Erasme wrote:
rofl, its like saying viper crushes ta, when an above than average ta will shit on him

That one's somewhat closer. Like a lot of Viper lanes, it's quite difficult for him before level 5, but I don't think it's unreasonable for a Viper who doesn't get extremely behind before level 5 to reasonably come back into the game after that.

Well, a viper who gets behind in lane doesnt usually get back in the game if the other lanes are not winning heavily. Sure, if the ta gets ganked and dies because she doesnt use her traps.. To be fair he could go even, assuming hes slightly better, with sentries and wards. But hes far more vulnerable to ganks than ta and has 0rune control

I don't necessarily agree with that. Viper's power peak in lane is level 5-6 (he has a small power peak at level 3 when he has 1 point in all 3 skills but this is not strong enough against TA, and then again when he has rank 3 Poison Attack). Obviously if he's massively behind by then it's problematic, but really it's perfectly reasonable for him to use that timing to take control of the lane again.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
August 30 2013 20:50 GMT
#75109
troll does okayish against TA

Unless you're super unlucky and blind doesnt do jack shit D:
dats racist
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 30 2013 20:52 GMT
#75110
Is this a game?
We name a hero that counter the previous hero in mid?
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
August 30 2013 20:56 GMT
#75111
On August 31 2013 05:52 Yoshi- wrote:
Is this a game?
We name a hero that counter the previous hero in mid?


Did you know that batrider wrecks TA
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 30 2013 20:58 GMT
#75112
On August 31 2013 05:56 Canas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:52 Yoshi- wrote:
Is this a game?
We name a hero that counter the previous hero in mid?


Did you know that batrider wrecks TA


There is only one Rule for this game and you break it, we talk about counters to troll now tststs.
Well, I guess Bat applies there too.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
August 30 2013 21:11 GMT
#75113
Good news: My alt account ranked up to play a page 1 game

Bad news: I was the only non-cyrillic typing person in that game. What the fuck is going on They weren't dicks though, and I kinda got carried by a timbersaw.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 30 2013 21:21 GMT
#75114
Razer > OD
OD > All except Razer
Did I win the game guys?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 30 2013 21:23 GMT
#75115
A) its razor
B) Lone druid has some chances vs OD I thought.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 21:23 GMT
#75116
There are others who do pretty good vs OD. Druid does pretty good
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 21:28:57
August 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#75117
Razer actually is the only hero imo that straight up has the advantage over OD imo.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 21:29 GMT
#75118
I actually think that Zeus can do pretty good against OD, because arc outranges Astral, so he can rely on that to farm up and generally make OD miserable
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#75119
On August 31 2013 06:29 Shaella wrote:
I actually think that Zeus can do pretty good against OD, because arc outranges Astral, so he can rely on that to farm up and generally make OD miserable

That really shouldn't work vs a decent OD. If nothing else you won't have the mana to lasthit with lightning very long since OD can sit between you and the creepwave, and if u use lightning to lasthit it simply pushes the wave so that he can position himself optimally.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2013 21:32 GMT
#75120
On August 31 2013 06:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 06:29 Shaella wrote:
I actually think that Zeus can do pretty good against OD, because arc outranges Astral, so he can rely on that to farm up and generally make OD miserable

That really shouldn't work vs a decent OD. If nothing else you won't have the mana to lasthit with lightning very long since OD can sit between you and the creepwave, and if u use lightning to lasthit it simply pushes the wave so that he can position himself optimally.

you can use the bounces to lasthit, its not reduced by bounces
bottle crow to keep going

pushing the wave constantly makes him LH under tower

Uphill doesn't matter to zeus mostly
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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