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wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 10:44:22
August 30 2013 10:43 GMT
#75001
On August 30 2013 19:23 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Is Tranquil Boots the best boots for Lion/KoTL in general? Personally I like the amount of speed it gives and the health regen to stay in lane but is treads better?


Tread or brown boot are better since lion need hp and tread switching helps when trying to ult or stun or hex for second round.
Or disassemble the tranq into FS/ mek is all good. Problem with tranq if you got it disabled, you are pretty much easy target/ dead.

My 2cent. Mid lion can go naked boots + blink + bottle early on.
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 10:51:57
August 30 2013 10:51 GMT
#75002
When I played SC2 I found it to be a lot more mind numbing, while Dota was always more emotionally spiky.
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superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
August 30 2013 10:59 GMT
#75003
On August 30 2013 18:37 heavenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 17:07 run.at.me wrote:
Sf is a really hard hero to play, he's my most played hero because I find him the most difficult. He's a pretty weak mid in comparison to others, starts with really low base Dmg, really low hp, and no escape mechanism. As a solo mid, he can destroy weak laners, but against strong mids, he gets destroyed (without ganks on the enemy mid)

Dying also punishes you more than other mids, because of souls.

But, once he has some momentum, his damage trumps a lot of other heroes (3 razes = 900 dmg)

Fun but real challenging at times


You find SF hard. I, like most players who played him many times find him incredibly easy to play. You dominate your lane easily, you raze towers hard, dominate the mid game and fall of a bit in the lategame. You have natural enemies like spirit breaker and maybe huskar and some others who can reduce your impact on the game by a large margin (if you don't have a okay team, which I wouldn't bet in on in pubs).

So the hero itself is very basic to play after you got the hang of the razes, which requires some practice. Still a very enjoyable hero, owning noobs mid is timeless.



SF is very hard to play against certain heroes. Tinker makes his life miserable early, as does QoP, Puck, and quite a few other heroes who have alot of burst. TA also should come out ahead, as well as Batrider. SF if played perfectly can win against these match-ups (other than maybe TA or other direct counters), but it's very rare anyone plays SF mid without any mistakes.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
August 30 2013 11:01 GMT
#75004
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 30 2013 11:13 GMT
#75005
Do we know it's real?

For whatever reason people like creating fake facebook accounts for Chinese teams.
Once you Goblak...
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
August 30 2013 11:15 GMT
#75006
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
August 30 2013 11:28 GMT
#75007
There are 942 bugs in DoTA2, I'm really really bored.

When's the next tourney guys.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 11:30:51
August 30 2013 11:29 GMT
#75008
On August 30 2013 20:28 Klonere wrote:
There are 942 bugs in DoTA2, I'm really really bored.

When's the next tourney guys.


I think the Korean league starts early September? MLG as well sometime in Sept.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
August 30 2013 11:34 GMT
#75009
nvm guys ice3 just put his webcam on fullscreen and is eating in front of 4.3k people dota alive game
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
August 30 2013 11:34 GMT
#75010
There's a Korean league going on right now.
Graphics
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
August 30 2013 11:34 GMT
#75011
that new rubick set man.......he looks like a villain from power rangers
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
August 30 2013 11:35 GMT
#75012
dota2 games are way more rage inducing. Losing 40-60 minutes games is nothing compared to the 20-30 minute sc2 games.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
August 30 2013 11:41 GMT
#75013
On August 30 2013 20:35 yyfpulls wrote:
dota2 games are way more rage inducing. Losing 40-60 minutes games is nothing compared to the 20-30 minute sc2 games.


Not to mention that In Starcraft, there isn't other people to possibly ruin the game for you.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 30 2013 11:42 GMT
#75014
On August 30 2013 20:28 Klonere wrote:
There are 942 bugs in DoTA2, I'm really really bored.

When's the next tourney guys.

Next starladder pool starts tomorrow.

Just need to get the ticket now
EZ4ENCE
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
August 30 2013 11:42 GMT
#75015
On August 30 2013 20:28 Klonere wrote:
There are 942 bugs in DoTA2, I'm really really bored.

When's the next tourney guys.

National Electronic Sports Tournament (NEST) is up I think. LGD will be playing in Sept 1 according to their facebook.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 11:54:57
August 30 2013 11:54 GMT
#75016
A lot of tournaments starting in september. Everything should be back to normal by mid-end sept.

Then at least 2 Lan tournaments in october.
Once you Goblak...
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
August 30 2013 12:14 GMT
#75017
So it seems CTY left VG >_<

ZSMJ going to be a coach. What's happening in China!? ~
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 12:18:41
August 30 2013 12:17 GMT
#75018
On August 30 2013 19:23 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Is Tranquil Boots the best boots for Lion/KoTL in general? Personally I like the amount of speed it gives and the health regen to stay in lane but is treads better?


Tranquil boots are very bad except in a few specific cases IMO. If you're on a support char you are more likely to die from burst during a gank than being harassed down, in which case you lose the move speed, the heal will be cancelled, and the only thing helping will be the little bit of armour...

KoTL should stay on brown boots till late game, and if you're hard support Lion you can get Arcane boots for your mates.
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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
August 30 2013 12:54 GMT
#75019
Ah. Makes sense. So no more tranquils for me. Thanks!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 30 2013 13:08 GMT
#75020
Ok, so I have been working on my mid play, specifically with ganking characters like Puck. I have been having real luck in my games with everyone except for Storm Spirit. For some reason I cannot get him off the ground and to the sweet spot in farming. I constantly run out of mana or just do not do enough damage. What is a good, standard item progression people like for him through a match? I can’t really find a guide that doesn’t just tell me to buy Bloodstone every game. I know Bloodstone is good for SS, but if I am having trouble farming early, I don't think I will get it fast enough.
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