EPTOn August 20 2013 00:30 BlitzerSC wrote:
Tiny, Morphling, PL, OD, Spectre, Medusa, Faceless Void.
Tiny, Morphling, PL, OD, Spectre, Medusa, Faceless Void.
O.o
Not sure I agree with that that much (oh you added in spectre medusa and FV)
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
O.o Not sure I agree with that that much (oh you added in spectre medusa and FV) | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:30 BlitzerSC wrote: Tiny, Morphling, PL, OD, Spectre, Medusa, Faceless Void. OD strikes me as definitely not belonging on this list. I feel even Sniper is a harder late game carry than OD. | ||
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Vaelone
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Juggernaut does better than people give him credit for. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:37 Firebolt145 wrote: OD strikes me as definitely not belonging on this list. I feel even Sniper is a harder late game carry than OD. Well obviously. Can't really do much when you PERMABASHED!@$%#Q%(*@#& | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:37 Vaelone wrote: No love for 12 slot bear? Its a cute thorycraft with no actuall application in real games, so Im not surprised people dont include Syllabear. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Provocateur
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Heroes like void and dusa bring some serious benefits to their damage. Chronosphere speaks for itself (along with permabash), and dusa's ability to hit 6 targets along with being the tankiest ranged hero in the game are some serious upsides to late-late-late game engagements. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:39 SKC wrote: Its a cute thorycraft with no actuall application in real games, so Im not surprised people dont include Syllabear. I mean, how do you beat 12 rapiers? Even if you die, your team will likely be able pick up enough rapiers to carry on the fight without you. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:37 Firebolt145 wrote: OD strikes me as definitely not belonging on this list. I feel even Sniper is a harder late game carry than OD. I feel OD falls off in the ultra late and Tiny's terrible attack speed puts his dps below the damage of other ultra lates. Tiny doesn't have good ability set that carries far into the ultra late either, Craggy Skin is okay at best but it's pretty easy to drop him given his low armor and Avalanche+Toss's damage falls off as well. I don't know how I feel about Morphling and especially PL. PL builds items that assist his illusions and it's important to have a good amount of illusions before a clash but PL doesn't really benefit too much from items that boosts personal dps such as Daedalus and especially a divine. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean, the most farmed LD in history LOST at 98 minutes (that TI3 game DK vs iG). OD's pure damage does wonders against the bear, Ferrari was pretty much six slotted as well. Even aside from that I feel the later the game, it becomes easier for a farmed team to drop the bear quickly. | ||
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:48 Kuroeeah wrote: I feel OD falls off in the ultra late and Tiny's terrible attack speed puts his dps below the damage of other ultra lates. Tiny doesn't have good ability set that carries far into the ultra late either, Craggy Skin is okay at best but it's pretty easy to drop him given his low armor and Avalanche+Toss's damage falls off as well. I don't know how I feel about Morphling and especially PL. PL builds items that assist his illusions and it's important to have a good amount of illusions before a clash but PL doesn't really benefit too much from items that boosts personal dps such as Daedalus and especially a divine. Crit works on illusions though, even if the raw damage doesn't. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:39 SKC wrote: Its a cute thorycraft with no actuall application in real games, so Im not surprised people dont include Syllabear. Bro, do you even 98 minute-game? | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:30 BlitzerSC wrote: Tiny, Morphling, PL, OD, Spectre, Medusa, Faceless Void. Not sure I'd agree with Morph/OD. OD is way too easily countered. Morphling...eh...is ok I guess but still. Dusa is probably the "hardest" carry in the entire game. Void and Spec right behind her. Tiny and PL a level behind that, probably with Sniper. Twelve slot Sylla fits in somewhere too. But I couldn't say where. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
He wasnt exactly that strong in that game. And wasnt exactly at full build even then. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
PL is the stone nuts 1v1 late anybody who disagrees hasn't tried to fight 12 PLs who do 20% dmg plus mana break. its like fighting 2 6-slot heroes with 4.2 agi gain (LOL), only you aren't even fighting the real one. Manta/Butter/Heart/BoT/Diffusal2/ggbranch is fine, you don't even need the 6th slot. PS ethereal is also the nuts since he can purge it off you and let his illusions go to work. EDIT: PS: Heroes with an innate bash actually are at a disadvantage right now due to how OP abyssal blade is atm. Its kinda dumb. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 20 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Morph is actually kinda questionable late due to basically weak mobility lol. He has awful range and after the first waveform it can be hard to keep hitting your target. He has really bad base MS and even manta + BoTs + Skadi aren't a guarantee that you can always hit your target. I saw powernet complaining in a pub game that he couldn't outcarry a tinker as morph because his team couldn't fight under march and without some assistance the tinker could perma-sheep him. PL is the stone nuts 1v1 late anybody who disagrees hasn't tried to fight 12 PLs who do 20% dmg plus mana break. its like fighting 2 6-slot heroes with 4.2 agi gain (LOL), only you aren't even fighting the real one. Manta/Butter/Heart/BoT/Diffusal2/ggbranch is fine, you don't even need the 6th slot. PS ethereal is also the nuts since he can purge it off you and let his illusions go to work. That kinda applies to any carry though. Anyone would be perma-sheeped if Tinker manages to land the first one and they dont have support. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On August 20 2013 01:05 GentleDrill wrote: Crit works on illusions though, even if the raw damage doesn't. Yes it does, but that slot could be used much better with other items that will boost survivability and raw damage of the illusions at the same time. BoTs, Butterfly, Heart, Diffusal, Manta, MKB (against evasion) or Abyssal for disable, maybe even Ethearal for more agility. | ||
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