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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 19 2013 09:10 GMT
#72761
On August 19 2013 17:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd say that QoP vs puck... If we're talking equal skill, is pretty much a draw, puck can't really harass the mobile qop with orb, and going in with orb>silence is a huge risk, alternatively, QoP can't really shadow strike puck, so its hard for her to wear puck down into burstableness

but QoP can fake the cast of shadow to try to get puck to waste phase shift, its a mind games and strategy fight, a great skillful match of two players on these can make for a very tense mid matchup

Personally I think that Shadow Strike is easy to phase because it's telegraphed by a pretty longish animation with an okayish projectile speed. It might just be me but I think it's harder to react to a blink + scream combo which is why the MU is considered even.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 19 2013 09:10 GMT
#72762
On August 19 2013 18:08 LSF wrote:
Is playing captains mode a better experience than all-pick in general? Do people there at least try to get a decent game going?



Picks will generally be a bit more serious, but that's about the only difference between all pick. The experience might be better but that's debatable.
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LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
August 19 2013 09:19 GMT
#72763
On August 19 2013 18:10 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 18:08 LSF wrote:
Is playing captains mode a better experience than all-pick in general? Do people there at least try to get a decent game going?



Picks will generally be a bit more serious, but that's about the only difference between all pick. The experience might be better but that's debatable.


Well, I'm about to find out... unless the queue time gets too long.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 19 2013 09:22 GMT
#72764
The queue time for captains mode I get ranges from 8 minutes minimum to 15 minutes.

It was a while ago.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 19 2013 09:23 GMT
#72765
On August 19 2013 18:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 17:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd say that QoP vs puck... If we're talking equal skill, is pretty much a draw, puck can't really harass the mobile qop with orb, and going in with orb>silence is a huge risk, alternatively, QoP can't really shadow strike puck, so its hard for her to wear puck down into burstableness

but QoP can fake the cast of shadow to try to get puck to waste phase shift, its a mind games and strategy fight, a great skillful match of two players on these can make for a very tense mid matchup

Personally I think that Shadow Strike is easy to phase because it's telegraphed by a pretty longish animation with an okayish projectile speed. It might just be me but I think it's harder to react to a blink + scream combo which is why the MU is considered even.

If both sides played "perfectly" then any engagement would favor the defender over the aggressor because each has a way to avoid the other's opening skill. Which means that in that theoretical case, QoP has a slight advantage due to her superior lasthitting basics (much faster animation/projectile speed).

At any skill level below that' the matchup essentially boils down to who punishes the other player's mistakes harder/gets away with more stuff they shouldn't.
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LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 09:28:55
August 19 2013 09:25 GMT
#72766
On August 19 2013 18:22 Kuroeeah wrote:
The queue time for captains mode I get ranges from 8 minutes minimum to 15 minutes.

It was a while ago.


6:30 "Your match is ready"
6:31 "A player declined the match"

-.-
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
August 19 2013 09:48 GMT
#72767
How come you can't switch heroes in single draft, but you can switch in all other modes?
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
August 19 2013 09:52 GMT
#72768
On August 19 2013 18:48 FreeZer wrote:
How come you can't switch heroes in single draft, but you can switch in all other modes?

I guess Valve/IF thinks that the whole point of SD is to limit your choices to 1 int 1 agi 1 str hero. I do not agree with that idea, but what can you do.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 10:24:26
August 19 2013 10:22 GMT
#72769

Well, I'm about to find out... unless the queue time gets too long.


Ok that was MUCH better than all-pick. Of course I get picked as captain in my first CM game ever (zomg halpz pls!) but people made suggestions and it worked out fine.

Which, according to the unwritten rules of Dota matchmaking, can only mean the next game will be a horrible desaster.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 11:08:00
August 19 2013 11:07 GMT
#72770
On August 19 2013 19:22 LSF wrote:
Show nested quote +

Well, I'm about to find out... unless the queue time gets too long.


Ok that was MUCH better than all-pick. Of course I get picked as captain in my first CM game ever (zomg halpz pls!) but people made suggestions and it worked out fine.

Which, according to the unwritten rules of Dota matchmaking, can only mean the next game will be a horrible desaster.

Solo queue CM, the place where new metagames start.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
August 19 2013 11:13 GMT
#72771
On August 19 2013 18:52 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 18:48 FreeZer wrote:
How come you can't switch heroes in single draft, but you can switch in all other modes?

I guess Valve/IF thinks that the whole point of SD is to limit your choices to 1 int 1 agi 1 str hero. I do not agree with that idea, but what can you do.

Graz on pen!
Saslugil sebe! (Sry, no russian keyboard layout )
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13088 Posts
August 19 2013 11:16 GMT
#72772
Out of 500 games played till now i have only played 5 CM games. Not really a popular mode but I can say that at least 3 of those games are one of my favorite games in enjoyment as close to pro match I've played.

I wish valve introduce a ladder in CM , this hidden MMR is fine but I would like something more.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 19 2013 11:21 GMT
#72773
Let's see. 10 minutes to find CM game, then another 5-10 minutes to draft. Hm, no thanks.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 19 2013 11:22 GMT
#72774
On August 19 2013 20:16 SkelA wrote:
Out of 500 games played till now i have only played 5 CM games. Not really a popular mode but I can say that at least 3 of those games are one of my favorite games in enjoyment as close to pro match I've played.

I wish valve introduce a ladder in CM , this hidden MMR is fine but I would like something more.

Well there is TMM
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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
August 19 2013 11:39 GMT
#72775
On August 19 2013 20:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Let's see. 10 minutes to find CM game, then another 5-10 minutes to draft. Hm, no thanks.


And then someone leaves since you didnt pick him his hero
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 12:04:34
August 19 2013 12:02 GMT
#72776
Personally I don't see a point in solo CM queue, and there is a TMM ladder already (kind of).
On August 19 2013 20:13 Slomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 18:52 dfs wrote:
On August 19 2013 18:48 FreeZer wrote:
How come you can't switch heroes in single draft, but you can switch in all other modes?

I guess Valve/IF thinks that the whole point of SD is to limit your choices to 1 int 1 agi 1 str hero. I do not agree with that idea, but what can you do.

Graz on pen!
Saslugil sebe! (Sry, no russian keyboard layout )

Danke, bratan!
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 19 2013 12:16 GMT
#72777
On August 19 2013 18:52 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 18:48 FreeZer wrote:
How come you can't switch heroes in single draft, but you can switch in all other modes?

I guess Valve/IF thinks that the whole point of SD is to limit your choices to 1 int 1 agi 1 str hero. I do not agree with that idea, but what can you do.

SD was really a great mode when you could swap, now it's rather meh.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 12:46:50
August 19 2013 12:25 GMT
#72778
On August 19 2013 21:02 dfs wrote:
Personally I don't see a point in solo CM queue, and there is a TMM ladder already (kind of).
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 20:13 Slomo wrote:
On August 19 2013 18:52 dfs wrote:
On August 19 2013 18:48 FreeZer wrote:
How come you can't switch heroes in single draft, but you can switch in all other modes?

I guess Valve/IF thinks that the whole point of SD is to limit your choices to 1 int 1 agi 1 str hero. I do not agree with that idea, but what can you do.

Graz on pen!
Saslugil sebe! (Sry, no russian keyboard layout )

Danke, bratan!

It's a shame the TMM ladder is designed so poorly though, a teams initial placement is based on an average of the players matchmaking rating. Which in itself is fine, but since you gain so few points per match, you gain TMM rating faster by winning pubs and remaking your team, this is even more true for the high rated teams, since all of their opponents much lower rated than them.

I think Valve should put a cap on how high a team can be placed initially (5k maybe), and also increase the amount of points lost/gained pr. match. This would incentivize actually playing TMM, and would probably increase activity in the top of the bracket.
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Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
August 19 2013 12:47 GMT
#72779
Why is it that first person Dota 2 streams don't get nearly as much viewers as LoL ones, is there something less interesting about them? Event numbers seem pretty close, but I guess thats because Dota 2 has like one big event a year.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 19 2013 12:50 GMT
#72780
Even other big events are not that far away. Finals of a big tournament got over 100k, and super hyped up events (usually the Chinese ones with west teams participating) got close to 200k, Alienware Cup got over 350k for finals. I would say that LoL's personal stream numbers are extremely high, rather than Dota 2's being low, tbh. I can't tell you why, tho.
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