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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:50 Yoshi- wrote: Everytime i see an OD by a good team, i also see an Mek on OD well silencer is really rare but OD could get mek after forcestaff to buff the push power if he has room to farm while others supports doesnt. This is often seen in games with minimum kill numbers (less than 1 kill per min) and mostly positioning war between 2 teams which make supports very under level and carry farmed. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:44 NB wrote: any veteran could teach me the item order of PL?? should i go straight rad after boot+RoH or aquila/tread/vanguard is needed? Also the alt route is still diffisual? Illusion deal orb of venom dmg? 820 playing Phantom Lancer in a pub game recently: Some notes: - Vanguard->Radiance is "standard", 820 feels Tranquil+PMS+Vit Booster has higher efficiency, and leaving the Vit Booster allows Heart later. Not everyone might agree though (he mentions that some players like Soul Ring, but he feels that this is inefficient). - Diffusal is often chosen as a damage item in addition to Radiance, not necessarily as an alternate route - In DotA 1, Orb of Venom does not work properly with illusions (Illusions place a fake OoV debuff, similar to fake bashes that don't stun or do damage). Not sure how they changed this in DotA 2. | ||
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rob.au
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:58 TheYango wrote: 820 playing Phantom Lancer in a pub game recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjGwfncd68 Some notes: - Vanguard->Radiance is "standard", 820 feels Tranquil+PMS+Vit Booster has higher efficiency, and leaving the Vit Booster allows Heart later. Not everyone might agree though (he mentions that some players like Soul Ring, but he feels that this is inefficient). - Diffusal is often chosen as a damage item in addition to Radiance, not necessarily as an alternate route - In DotA 1, Orb of Venom does not work properly with illusions (Illusions place a fake OoV debuff, similar to fake bashes that don't stun or do damage). Not sure how they changed this in DotA 2. imo Diffusal should be core on all melee image heroes, like Naga/PL | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
after radiance + diffusal (optional) u can split the boots to build into BoT + vlads while booster leads directly into heart the speed of tranquil boots is quite nice since pl doesn't benefit much for either treads or phase much | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On April 09 2012 19:15 cilinder007 wrote: Devine Courage complete ! team was pretty mad about my items but we still won :D I think the items could have been worse  I am quite tempted to try Divine Courage. I think I may try it tomorrow and hopefully not piss off too many people. I will be going with Sd (since I only play Sd) so this will either go awesomely or it will fail completely. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:35 wonderwall wrote: Yeah its basically outpush AM as he has no push/counterpush himself or outcarry him as he's not that scary if someone is keeping up with him in rice. How does late game silencer > am?? | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:25 NB wrote: both of those 2 choices are pretty risky and limited used. The best counter to AM pickers is just NS + chen/enchan+brood and push the hell outa towers end game around 25 mins. Otherwise late game pure dmg dealer such as OD(as currently see in most of the dota2 SEA games) or silencer(AL|bleek) should be great vs AM once they got sheeps. Pushing in pubs generally doesn't work. I've been in teams with Furion+Chen+Leshrac and the only tower that went down was the mid one, and that was me. FV and Viper are risky but OD and Silencer are not? | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On April 09 2012 19:58 ChrisXIV wrote: Pushing in pubs generally doesn't work. I've been in teams with Furion+Chen+Leshrac and the only tower that went down was the mid one, and that was me. FV and Viper are risky but OD and Silencer are not? silencer doesnt work in all situations because am will most likely farm much faster than you with the battlefury cleave | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On April 09 2012 20:01 Spicy_Curry wrote: silencer doesnt work in all situations because am will most likely farm much faster than you with the battlefury cleave there are 2 ways to play AM: 15 mins BFury into 35 mins 6 slots OR vanguard vlad into 25 mins manta basher. The first build is mostly seen in pub bc you have more room to farm and no one push, the 2nd build however is used for competitive play simply bc AM is much more useful mid game and could enter teamfight, hit people and still alive. The pure dmg dealer is mostly aimed to counter the 2nd type since if you let silencer/OD lane in a free farm lane, they could get their core pretty fast (tread+forcestaff) and start destroying people in teamfights while AM is still building his vlad. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
even if you somehow keep up in farm he's still going to be putting out much more damage, and his ult melts silencer od can pretty easily outcarry am if you wanna go that route, but it's a bit harder for him to get his farm up lycan also works pretty well, you can put a lot of pressure on the towers and necrobook is really good against am | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 09 2012 21:01 Firebolt145 wrote: Wait what's the divine courage build? I had assumed it was just getting divine rapier on every hero but apparently I am wrong... http://divinecourage.dy.fi/ Random hero and random items, not really a single build. | ||
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