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Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
July 17 2013 15:07 GMT
#66861
On that subject, Engima's pretty awesome at helping the financial burden on support's.

He's such a fast jungle farmer and tower pusher that once you've got your soul ring your basically knee deep in cash to rush out a mechanism for your team. You can even pick up the slack on courier upgrades and paying for your support wards/dusts.

It only mildly slows down his blink dagger/bkb but you can still get it in time for when 5-man fights start happening with frequency easily enough.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10953 Posts
July 17 2013 15:08 GMT
#66862
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
July 17 2013 15:14 GMT
#66863
Yeah it pretty much is at this point.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
July 17 2013 15:14 GMT
#66864
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


The thing is, as Enigma you also desperately need a blink dagger, and in most situations, a BKB. Thats on top of the warding and general supporting you should be doing anyways. If you at some point get a mek, its going to be way too late to have any real impact on the game. You're better of having another support go for it.
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 15:16:47
July 17 2013 15:15 GMT
#66865
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


More or less. Some people do, with some legitimacy, dislike having mech on the character with a big target on his head though. And sometimes rushing blink can save your early team fights just as much.

But in pub play people pick up all kinds of shit on Engima because he generally has so much spare gold. I mean, everyone has run into a Midas Enigma at least once right?
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 17 2013 15:15 GMT
#66866
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?

Depends - Enigma should be getting either Mek, BKB, or Blink depending on the situation.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 17 2013 15:26 GMT
#66867
On July 18 2013 00:15 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


More or less. Some people do, with some legitimacy, dislike having mech on the character with a big target on his head though. And sometimes rushing blink can save your early team fights just as much.

But in pub play people pick up all kinds of shit on Engima because he generally has so much spare gold. I mean, everyone has run into a Midas Enigma at least once right?

i thought it was standard for enigma
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 17 2013 15:30 GMT
#66868
On July 18 2013 00:14 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


The thing is, as Enigma you also desperately need a blink dagger, and in most situations, a BKB. Thats on top of the warding and general supporting you should be doing anyways. If you at some point get a mek, its going to be way too late to have any real impact on the game. You're better of having another support go for it.

I think it depends on team comp too. If you have a good deal of lock down, Enigma might be able to go mek and free up some money for the supports. But at the end of the day, he does need that dagger.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
July 17 2013 15:31 GMT
#66869
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


some game where they went bkb enigma
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 15:36:56
July 17 2013 15:31 GMT
#66870
On July 18 2013 00:26 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 00:15 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


More or less. Some people do, with some legitimacy, dislike having mech on the character with a big target on his head though. And sometimes rushing blink can save your early team fights just as much.

But in pub play people pick up all kinds of shit on Engima because he generally has so much spare gold. I mean, everyone has run into a Midas Enigma at least once right?

i thought it was standard for enigma


That's what the expression "more or less" means, i.e. its probably the most commonly accepted build, just because engima is such a fast farmer but I wouldn't go so far as saying it's that uncommon for Engima's to go bkb or blink first instead.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 17 2013 15:36 GMT
#66871
On July 18 2013 00:31 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 00:26 Erasme wrote:
On July 18 2013 00:15 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


More or less. Some people do, with some legitimacy, dislike having mech on the character with a big target on his head though. And sometimes rushing blink can save your early team fights just as much.

But in pub play people pick up all kinds of shit on Engima because he generally has so much spare gold. I mean, everyone has run into a Midas Enigma at least once right?

i thought it was standard for enigma


That's what the expression "more or less" means, i.e. its probably most common accepted build, just because engima is such a fast farmer but I wouldn't go so far as saying it's that uncommon for Engima's to go bkb or blink first instead.

I think Erasme meant midas Enigma was the standard build.

French humor.
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Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
July 17 2013 15:37 GMT
#66872
On July 18 2013 00:36 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 00:31 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 18 2013 00:26 Erasme wrote:
On July 18 2013 00:15 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 18 2013 00:08 Velr wrote:
Isn't Mek like 1000% standard on Enigma anyway?


More or less. Some people do, with some legitimacy, dislike having mech on the character with a big target on his head though. And sometimes rushing blink can save your early team fights just as much.

But in pub play people pick up all kinds of shit on Engima because he generally has so much spare gold. I mean, everyone has run into a Midas Enigma at least once right?

i thought it was standard for enigma


That's what the expression "more or less" means, i.e. its probably most common accepted build, just because engima is such a fast farmer but I wouldn't go so far as saying it's that uncommon for Engima's to go bkb or blink first instead.

I think Erasme meant midas Enigma was the standard build.

French humor.


oh. My bad.
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 15:53:46
July 17 2013 15:52 GMT
#66873
The thing I have trouble with engima is working out when I should be upgrading my boots.

Sometimes I just sit on brown boots all game until I pick up boots of travel.

Other times I pick up power treads relatively early on. The extra hp can be useful and the thing with engima is, a lot of time's you will just be right clicking people in fights because your black hole is down and you've cast malefice/pulse already. His intellect scaling is very good so late game after you have your bkb/blink you hit moderately hard with a sycthe/orchid and power treads.

Thoughts?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 17 2013 15:59 GMT
#66874
Finish treads when the random giants belt is taking up slots you need
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 17 2013 16:01 GMT
#66875
On July 18 2013 00:52 Asymmetric wrote:
The thing I have trouble with engima is working out when I should be upgrading my boots.

Sometimes I just sit on brown boots all game until I pick up boots of travel.

Other times I pick up power treads relatively early on. The extra hp can be useful and the thing with engima is, a lot of time's you will just be right clicking people in fights because your black hole is down and you've cast malefice/pulse already. His intellect scaling is very good so late game after you have your bkb/blink you hit moderately hard with a sycthe/orchid and power treads.

Thoughts?

Staying on brown boots for a majority of the game until you can get BoTs is fine a lot of the time. Otherwise, you can grab treads after mek if you want.
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
July 17 2013 16:09 GMT
#66876
Imho there are 2 different ways to see Enigma, either you see it (him?) as a walking/hoovering "BLAAAAAAACK HOOOOOLE", or you see it as a really fast jungling supporter with a lot of pushing potential. I guess the first point of view is the more popular, but I had much more success when play enigma the second way. Ideally ofc, you see its full potential and adjust your playstyle to what is needed most in the game.

When my team doesnt force me to go blink/bkb, I usually like to build enigma as a very tanky "aura blob": treads, + at least 2, sometimes all of mek, vlads, drums, shivas. Especially good if your teammates bring some other auras, such as drow, beastmaster etc.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
July 17 2013 16:13 GMT
#66877
just lost my first 2 rares on my very first bet

muh rares
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
July 17 2013 16:47 GMT
#66878
shadow blade enigma is better for pubs than blink anyway imo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 17 2013 17:01 GMT
#66879
On July 18 2013 01:47 cilinder007 wrote:
shadow blade enigma is better for pubs than blink anyway imo

Shadow Blade anything with a stun is better for pubs. Stealth > pubs.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 17:05:47
July 17 2013 17:02 GMT
#66880
I think i played some sickass enig awhile back and i actually saved the replay just in case one day i will make a vod out of it lololol

Mek on enig is standard, if you can get it around 9mins then it is very hard for your team to lose unless your team has failed every lane obviously. In some cases say your hardlane hero somehow get some good farm and is going for a nice timing Mek (>15min) then you can chose to rush for a bkb/necrobook. The key thing here is that you need use that early mek to take the towers for more income (or rosh, but winning teamfight and then take the towers is the best), the timing of your dagger/bkb is actually won't be later than 15-20mins if you played it right.

Dagger first is only good if the oppos literally had 0 disable because the oppos have to be very stupid to allow you to pull off that bhole or you have crazy luck or if your team was very far ahead then it doesn't matter what you get anyway - you should go for better items for fun like Radi/lothar/dagon/mom+basher.
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