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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 18 2013 02:13 NB wrote: mentioning basher, could somebody explain to me the scaling of basher with WR ult (with and without agh)? Basher procs at the normal 10% rate for ranged heroes on WR ulti. WR ulti has no special behavior in this regard because Basher procs don't do damage. The way WR ult is implemented is that it sets her attack speed to the maximum, and then applies a triggered heal for 50%/40%/30% of the damage taken whenever Windrunner does an instance of damage with the buff active. What Aghanim's does is change this effect to instead be a 50%/40%/30% reduction to your attack damage (meaning that it no longer affects other sources of damage). In practice this is meant to allow extra damage instances like MKB procs or Mjollnir procs to do full damage. There are a couple strange consequences of this (that I have not tested in DotA 2, so be advised they may not work the same--and if they don't these are probably intended changes): 1) Lifesteal is MORE effective without Aghanim's than with. The reason for this is because without Aghanim's, you technically still do the unreduced damage amount, the opponent is just healed for part of it by the triggered heal, so you lifesteal based on the full damage. Aghanim's gets rid of the triggered heal and reduces your actual damage instead, so you lifesteal for less. 2) Similarly, Orchid is more effective without Aghanim's than with if you use it right. The damage instance that's dealt by Orchid when the buff falls off is proportional to the actual damage they take during the Orchid effect. Again, without Aghanim's, you do the full damage amount and the opponent is just healed for part of it--meaning that if you cancel Focus Fire before the Orchid buff falls off, the Orchid buff will do damage proportional to the full damage dealt on each attack, rather than just the reduced damage with Aghanim's. On July 18 2013 02:02 BurningSera wrote: Mek on enig is standard, if you can get it around 9mins then it is very hard for your team to lose unless your team has failed every lane obviously. In some cases say your hardlane hero somehow get some good farm and is going for a nice timing Mek (>15min) then you can chose to rush for a bkb/necrobook. The key thing here is that you need use that early mek to take the towers for more income (or rosh, but winning teamfight and then take the towers is the best), the timing of your dagger/bkb is actually won't be later than 15-20mins if you played it right. Dagger first is only good if the oppos literally had 0 disable because the oppos have to be very stupid to allow you to pull off that bhole or you have crazy luck or if your team was very far ahead then it doesn't matter what you get anyway - you should go for better items for fun like Radi/lothar/dagon/mom+basher. Best carry items for Enigma is the Necro+Vlad+AC combo, because with double aura, Eidolons+Necro minions do some sick damage. | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On July 18 2013 02:43 Qbek wrote: The worst are the radiance enigmas, like where's the synergy? You'd do more damage over time by getting refresher for midnight pulse Its for farming and split pushing and DoT's during my double black holes YOLO | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
i lost a game like that, did a sick blackhole but we lost since i was doing all the right click damage | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 18 2013 02:43 Qbek wrote: The worst are the radiance enigmas, like where's the synergy? You'd do more damage over time by getting refresher for midnight pulse It's cuz in DotA 1 Black Hole damage instances used the same sparkling visual effect that Radiance did. On July 18 2013 02:49 Erasme wrote: well with carry enigma you do more damage when you don't use blackhole i lost a game like that, did a sick blackhole but we lost since i was doing all the right click damage Which is why you get Necro+Vlad+AC because it pushes all your damage into your Eidolons and Necro minions, so you don't have this problem. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
this is pure fucking gold | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
triggered healing not existing is actually my biggest gripe with dota2 since it affects so many heroes in a wide variety of ways that are completely gamechanging | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13086 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:07 Kznn wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrEIJeXgH6E&feature=c4-overview&list=UUgIF7x7l62iQfaknRf4TDgQ this is pure fucking gold Andy... Mage? LOL | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:07 Kznn wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrEIJeXgH6E&feature=c4-overview&list=UUgIF7x7l62iQfaknRf4TDgQ this is pure fucking gold Normally I hate these because it's just pissing off some shop owner endlessly, but this one was hillarious :D | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:15 Kupon3ss wrote: yango none of the WR stuff work anymore because triggered healing is not a part of dota2 triggered healing not existing is actually my biggest gripe with dota2 since it affects so many heroes in a wide variety of ways that are completely gamechanging That's what I assumed. | ||
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LSF
469 Posts
Wonder if this is a huge coincidence or they changed something. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Depends on line up, of course, but Enigma is easily one of the fastest early-mid pushers in the game. Maybe even the very fastest, I'm not sure. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On July 18 2013 05:42 Erasme wrote: lycan is probably faster, antimage as well antimage is a very slow earlygame pusher, he needs some items before he can push anything | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
LOL that was good :D | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
wait so how does this trigger healing interact with AA ult in dota1? Also im assuming that Abaddon also bugged in dota2 with this trigger-heal-less interaction. Enemy who attack Abaddon with his ult+blademail activated takes no damage. Question is: How does Lina/Lion ult still goes through without healing trigger? | ||
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