EPTAnyway yeah the meta changed but given some thought something sorta struck me. A while ago you needed to commit to a draft to pushing and win the game in the mid game. Neither IG and old Na'Vi played their games out late either (IG was always weak even in their dominant peak at playing out the late games in terms of decision making). I still feel games can spiral out of control and snowball in terms of gold/xp advantage ever since the kill bounty was increased, games ending in 20 minutes happen more frequently now then it did.
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Kuroeeah
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Anyway yeah the meta changed but given some thought something sorta struck me. A while ago you needed to commit to a draft to pushing and win the game in the mid game. Neither IG and old Na'Vi played their games out late either (IG was always weak even in their dominant peak at playing out the late games in terms of decision making). I still feel games can spiral out of control and snowball in terms of gold/xp advantage ever since the kill bounty was increased, games ending in 20 minutes happen more frequently now then it did. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:37 Kuroeeah wrote: (IG was always weak even in their dominant peak at playing out the late games in terms of decision making). Am I the only one that disagrees with this statement? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:14 Mataza wrote: But there is no such thing. If I ahd to play him I would go 1point hellfire bolt, 1 point crit, 1 point lifesteal aura, then crit max, ulti as usual. Vampiric Aura should generally not be skilled in lane, as it ruins your lane control. It is best skilled at the point in the game where lanes break up and you want one or more ranks to be able to farm neutrals while staying full HP. On July 12 2013 05:14 Mataza wrote: The damage hellfire bolt does is negligible for the amount of mana it takes out of his mana pool. If I spent 45% of my mana pool on one spell it better be a golden bullet, not a 2 second stun with crappy damage. It's not even good for stealing kills as half of it is damage over time. The damage scales from 110-400. For a nuke, this is actually VERY good. It's only 45% of your mana pool if you deliberately choose not to build any mana itemization despite several options being quite good for him. Mathematically even if you are only getting 2-3 stuns in a fight (which is actually very doable with typical item selection on SK e.g. Wand+Drums), you need to get like 3 crits to match the damage of that even with Treads+Armlet, which requires you to be able to stand and autoattack for 20 straight autoattacks. This just doesn't happen until you have a BKB--you simply don't have the mobility to get that many hits in without one in a normal fight. So 4th rank Crit by level 7 is really pointless. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
though i guess that kills the whole "YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE SKILL" concept | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:50 synapse wrote: maybe vampiric aura should become a toggle though i guess that kills the whole "YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE SKILL" concept But he has two now with mortal strike :D | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:43 TheYango wrote: Vampiric Aura should generally not be skilled in lane, as it ruins your lane control. It is best skilled at the point in the game where lanes break up and you want one or more ranks to be able to farm neutrals while staying full HP. The damage scales from 110-400. For a nuke, this is actually VERY good. It's only 45% of your mana pool if you deliberately choose not to build any mana itemization despite several options being quite good for him. Mathematically even if you are only getting 2-3 stuns in a fight (which is actually very doable with typical item selection on SK e.g. Wand+Drums), you need to get like 3 crits to match the damage of that even with Treads+Armlet, which requires you to be able to stand and autoattack for 20 straight autoattacks. This just doesn't happen until you have a BKB--you simply don't have the mobility to get that many hits in without one in a normal fight. So 4th rank Crit by level 7 is really pointless. The dot is only active during the slow part of the spell, the actual damage of hellfire blast is 80-300 | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
Itemwise I'd do something along the lines of Treads Wand Midas for early game, then Armlet + BKB or Armlet + SnY into whatever. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 06:09 gaymon wrote: The dot is only active during the slow part of the spell, the actual damage of hellfire blast is 80-300 Yeah you're right, I derped. It's still fairly good. 300 damage on a 140 fixed mana cost nuke is fine, and the value of crit simply doesn't get high enough until you have damage items and you're high enough level to have both maxed anyway. With regard to items, Drums are extremely good for SK given that he actually needs every stat provided by the item. +All stats is very important for SK early. You want mana to abuse the ridiculously low CD of Hellfire Blast, and MS is a very high value stat for SK going into midgame due to his mediocre base movespeed and no blink/mobility skill. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
edit: holy shit i have no clue whether this is gramatically correct | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
gaymon has ended TheYango's godlike streak | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On July 12 2013 06:24 gaymon wrote: If Hellfire Blast didn't have such an abysmal slow flight time it would be an amazing spell, but given that it is sadly pretty mediocre edit: holy shit i have no clue whether this is gramatically correct force staff into their face and blast | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On July 12 2013 06:49 Targe wrote: Is it ok to rush mana boots on Dazzle? The spamming of his heal I kinda find to be great if you can get the boots up. i don't know that i'd rush them on dazzle. perhaps if i got a lot of gold early, a first blood or some kills in lane/ganks I'd pick them up. I generally like to get urn or medallion on dazzle first depending on what is going on. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Rybka
United States836 Posts
Back to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 12 2013 06:51 crms wrote: i don't know that i'd rush them on dazzle. perhaps if i got a lot of gold early, a first blood or some kills in lane/ganks I'd pick them up. I generally like to get urn or medallion on dazzle first depending on what is going on. Well I do actually tend to pick up a kill early through his heal, just wait for them to be around loads of creeps then boom, people always underestimate it. Medallion though? cool, I've never got that on him before, urn I used to get but I kinda felt it becomes slightly redundant after you get mana boots and even more so with mek later. | ||
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Macedonia13086 Posts
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