General Discussion - Page 3303

On July 12 2013 07:11 sirreginold wrote:
Should I stamp my player cards on the compendium now or wait till the challenges are up?

On July 12 2013 05:43 TheYango wrote:

Vampiric Aura should generally not be skilled in lane, as it ruins your lane control. It is best skilled at the point in the game where lanes break up and you want one or more ranks to be able to farm neutrals while staying full HP.


The damage scales from 110-400. For a nuke, this is actually VERY good. It's only 45% of your mana pool if you deliberately choose not to build any mana itemization despite several options being quite good for him.

Mathematically even if you are only getting 2-3 stuns in a fight (which is actually very doable with typical item selection on SK e.g. Wand+Drums), you need to get like 3 crits to match the damage of that even with Treads+Armlet, which requires you to be able to stand and autoattack for 20 straight autoattacks. This just doesn't happen until you have a BKB--you simply don't have the mobility to get that many hits in without one in a normal fight. So 4th rank Crit by level 7 is really pointless.

On July 12 2013 07:05 Targe wrote:

Well I do actually tend to pick up a kill early through his heal, just wait for them to be around loads of creeps then boom, people always underestimate it.

Medallion though? cool, I've never got that on him before, urn I used to get but I kinda felt it becomes slightly redundant after you get mana boots and even more so with mek later.

On July 12 2013 07:19 Mataza wrote:
Total damage: 80 / 160 / 230 / 300
source: playdota

Crit increases your neutral farm speed if nothing else. In a drawn out fight you will probably not be stunned the whole time. Leoric isn't the type of hero of hero that wants short bursty fights in my opinion.
If you focus on hellfirebolt, then in the end you will get a weak version of Sven.
Even getting a soul ring, and items that increase mana pool and without his ultimate he will get maybe 4 stuns out around lvl 11.

That's just not that good.

On July 12 2013 08:12 TheYango wrote:

I wanted to type a response to this post, but everything that came to mind would have been banworthy.

On July 12 2013 08:12 TheYango wrote:

I wanted to type a response to this post, but everything that came to mind would have been banworthy.

On July 12 2013 08:14 Mataza wrote:
You're actually correct that Hellfirebolt max first is better for fighting. My only gripe is that it still isn't very good.
Comparing his basic skills across the board, critical strike is the only one that's actually quite good.
His stun is outshone in damage and availability(mana) by many heroes. Only strong point is slightly faster cooldown.
His vampiric aura was inferior to Naix's old lifesteal aura and comparable skills.
His crit is 3rd best in the game, after Juggernaut's Blade Dance and Mortred's Coup de Grace.

If you want to play Skeleking to his strengths you will have a hard time, since he doesn't really have any.
Just about the only thing he has going for him right now is that he can be jungled from lvl 1.

Sven got a makeover and became awesome. Skeleking got a makeover at the same time and stayed just as bad.

/rant

On July 12 2013 08:36 GentleDrill wrote:


How can you talk about SK's remake and not even mention the thing that was remade?

And what are these other stuns that outshine his? Sven's trades out the 2 seconds of slow for 25 damage, aoe, 75 range (all good) but double the cooldown, and their mana is comparable. CK's averages out to about the same damage and less stun at level 1, but quite alot less damage and more stun at max level (taking mean values), and has slightly less range, but a faster projectile, so on average it's probably slightly better but no more. And their mana is comparable.

You can start comparing it to stuns on supports that might have big draws, but they all also have drawbacks. Lesh and Lina's are delayed. Lion and Nyx's are worse disables at level 1. And it's not really fair to compare to the stuns on supports because that's a different class of hero.

I'm not claiming that Hellfire Blast is the best stun/nuke in the game but it's at worse slightly worse than any others that exist.

I'm not sure how you reason that a theoretical four 2-second-stuns-plus-2-second-slows from one hero in a teamfight isn't good (it's probably unrealistic but if any hero ever did that much in any one teamfight it'd be ridiculous).

And what's the point comparing to skills that don't exist anymore?

On July 12 2013 08:40 r.Evo wrote:
...or you can just look at what skills scale of. If it's a nuke then it scales with levels. If it's a steroid, it scales with items. This concept applies to pretty much any hero that's faced with such a choice.

Getting a lifesteal aura in lane sounds like a fun way to ensure farm for the enemy btw. :>

On July 12 2013 08:32 crms wrote:



Yango bot is unstable, can we get r1ch in here to reboot?



I'm scared.