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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 11 2013 21:40 Firebolt145 wrote: It blows my mind that you guys didn't realise what the logo was, haha. Not everyone spends enough time dead every game to go and look at logos. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 00:28 canikizu wrote: What kind of negative buff does Abaddon's shield remove? I remember in HoN, Abaddon can remove stun, and a lot of other negative buff. The ability of removing Naix's slow, DK's stun and ability to dive tower with bomb shield can bring back some aggressive plays. It removes all buffs, but certain triggered buffs are re-applied at certain intervals because they are triggered and re-cast by a dummy unit. For example, Naix's Open Wounds is triggered this way for the diminishing slow % (though Valve broke the buff removal interactions for this in DotA 2-purging Open Wounds causes the buff to be removed completely, see: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=52000). | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On July 12 2013 01:04 PrinceXizor wrote: Not everyone spends enough time dead every game to go and look at logos. s!ck 8urn | ||
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pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
Playing her as support is a waste imho. | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On July 12 2013 01:31 pedrlz wrote: Just realized that I have 20 wins in 25 games with Mirana since I started to play her like support. When Icefrog will stop it? Whats ur "support" build for her? Asking out of curiosity.. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On July 12 2013 00:20 cilinder007 wrote: how is he not a bad ganker, give me one hero that is currently played 4th, 5th position thats isnt a better ganker than him Keeper of the Light, Dazzle (early poison sting is just, and if you level it up the hero becomes even worse). I would say support Gyro is as bad as a ganker as Abbadon - good with a disabler, useless without. Tree is about as bad too. AA is a bad ganker without a setup, too. Sure, non of these are first pick/ban supports, but they do see play every once in a while. I don't think the Aphotic Shield on creeps harass is bad. You throw it on a creep that is low and about to be lasthitted by the enemy, and he has to run 650 range away, or get the damage. If he runs, he's probably missing that creep and another one as well. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:04 Grettin wrote: Whats ur "support" build for her? Asking out of curiosity.. Mine is ignore game, boots first, roam around and shoot arrows at people until you hit. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:00 BlitzerSC wrote: I feel like Mirana is a decent carry, the problem I have with her is just that the arrow is huge, slow and makes tons of noise. The rest of her skillset is really good. Starfall is a good early game AoE nuke, Leap is good for every situation ( chasing or escaping ) and Moonlight Shadow is just super OP. Playing her as support is a waste imho. She's quite mediocre as a 1st position core, mostly because her late-game fighting ability is still pretty underwhelming. Her damage dealing ability is heavily dependent on her items, even compared to other carries (e.g. comparable ranged Agi carries like Drow or Luna get a lot more damage off of their skills in a teamfight than she does), while she also doesn't have outstanding farming power unless you really buffer her mana regen to the point where she can spam Starfall (e.g. Linken's). The appeal of support PotM is that she is a great solo ganker if your lanes have initiating stuns because she can throw arrow from beyond Smoke break range or night time vision. If your roaming is effective, you can transition into a Hand of Midas and farm your way into a midgame 2nd/3rd core. On July 12 2013 02:05 cecek wrote: Keeper of the Light, Dazzle (early poison sting is just, and if you level it up the hero becomes even worse). I would say support Gyro is as bad as a ganker as Abbadon - good with a disabler, useless without. Tree is about as bad too. AA is a bad ganker without a setup, too. What? 3 Poison Touch before maxing Shadow Wave is very typical. On July 12 2013 02:05 cecek wrote: I don't think the Aphotic Shield on creeps harass is bad. You throw it on a creep that is low and about to be lasthitted by the enemy, and he has to run 650 range away, or get the damage. If he runs, he's probably missing that creep and another one as well. It's just worse than putting it on yourself and running at him, though. You push the lane in either case, so you may as well pick the option that more reliably puts damage on him and gives you the chance for the kill. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:07 TheYango wrote: She's quite mediocre as a 1st position core, mostly because her late-game fighting ability is still pretty underwhelming. Her damage dealing ability is heavily dependent on her items, even compared to other carries (e.g. comparable ranged Agi carries like Drow or Luna get a lot more damage off of their skills in a teamfight than she does), while she also doesn't have outstanding farming power unless you really buffer her mana regen to the point where she can spam Starfall (e.g. Linken's). The appeal of support PotM is that she is a great solo ganker if your lanes have initiating stuns because she can throw arrow from beyond Smoke break range or night time vision. If your roaming is effective, you can transition into a Hand of Midas and farm your way into a midgame 2nd/3rd core. What? 3 Poison Touch before maxing Shadow Wave is very typical. It's just worse than putting it on yourself and running at him, though. You push the lane in either case, so you may as well pick the option that more reliably puts damage on him and gives you the chance for the kill. Depends, obviously. If you are doing some cheesy sd Dazzle + stunner trilane, maxing shadowave is preferred. Otherwise, i can see getting 3 in poison touch. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:09 beef42 wrote: Dude you're the fellow wanting me to gank on Mirana and THEN get a midas. Yes? It's not good if your roaming effectiveness is low, but if your roaming effectiveness is low, PotM will be useless from that situation regardless of what happens. Mirana is going to need items and levels really badly regardless. She doesn't have the skillset to operate as a full-on support. But as a support/roaming hero, it's going to be hard to find that farm/levels off lanes, and in general having PotM as your 4th position hero will stretch your team's resources thin. The Midas lets you get the most out of the meager farm available (particularly allowing you to do hard jungle camps), and it's perfectly acceptable for you to step back and farm when you've ganked lanes successfully and set up the rest of your team to control the midgame. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:13 TheYango wrote: It's not good if your roaming effectiveness is low, but if your roaming effectiveness is low, PotM will be useless from that situation regardless of what happens. That's kind of the issue with mirana - her early game ganking utility and just general utility is great, but she is nearly a useless hero if your ganking / roaming doesn't go well. You can't really safelane free farm her for an extended period of time (well, you could, but there are so many other heroes you'd rather give that kind of farm to), so you practically need this hero to go around the map roaming. I'm not sure I'd recommend midas though. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:24 Yoshi- wrote: How long does a stun needs to be so that it is no longer a mini stun? Personally I would think it needs to be lower than .25 or something. Some good disables start at 1s at level 1. It's also an issue with Dazzle because IIRC he has/had a ministun in all levels of poison touch that disables TPs, apart from the late 1s stun at levels 3/4. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
She farms and carries from the safelane, as long as your team isn't moronic and decided to take it to 50 minutes for no reason. In a reasonably organized team that understands the importance of finishing a game as soon as possible she's imo a fine carry. She will be a force much sooner than usual suspects like Naix, AM, Void, etc. She sucks if there are no setup abilities on your team though. edit: as a bonus, she counters pudge (most played hero loll) really hard. if he hooks a teammate, 5 sec arrow and kill him for the trouble. if he hooks you, start mashing Leap and you're usually fine, especially if the pudge player is on a bit of ping. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:27 SKC wrote: Personally I would think it needs to be lower than .25 or something. Some good disables start at 1s at level 1. It's also an issue with Dazzle because IIRC he has/had a ministun in all levels of poison touch that disables TPs, apart from the late 1s stun at levels 3/4. So Cold Snap and Winrunners shackle (when only on one target) are proper stuns? | ||
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