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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 17:26:32
June 04 2013 17:26 GMT
#59901
Dignitas made some minor roster swaps with tides of time (later reverted I believe, but still roster swaps). I'm not saying they are LESS stable just that as far as I'm concerned they are in the same boat as last year's teams were and I expect at least 2 teams to blow up. I'm not saying its VP or Dignitas, just threw out some names that seemed about as consistent as some teams from last year. Goodness knows mouz's roster has been all over the place, alliance is pretty new and Na'vi has made some real roster swaps recently as well.

Either way, nobody knows what is coming. My prediction is almost as much disarray after TI3 as after TI2, at least in western teams. I'm not here to argue my prediction with you, time will tell what happens
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 04 2013 17:30 GMT
#59902
I expect a lot of teams to be re-worked. It should happen. Teams typically want to win and to be as successful as possible. If a team comes out of ti3 thinking, 'we can't win with this squad' or 'we can't improve by next year' they should split. If you think of Ti3 like the superbowl and the ending of a 'season' it's only natural. Professional sports teams always mix up players between seasons. The International is the capstone and while not officially a season offers a very good conceptual endpoint.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 17:34:45
June 04 2013 17:33 GMT
#59903
I'm not saying teams wont change members, but you will not see the mass disbandment that you saw last year. It simply will not happen.

There are more than twice as many tournaments outside of TI now. All the teams have been together for longer. All the teams this year actually deserve to be there because they have results.

Last year, every western team disbanded except for Na'Vi and EG.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 17:56:37
June 04 2013 17:50 GMT
#59904
So, is manta better pick up first for Luna against PL compared to butterfly? Point where PL has diffusals, hot etc.

I had this Romanian duo crying because i didn't get Manta (I did buy Yasha early on though) and game was getting more harder to win because of PL who was already going for butterfly himself next.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 04 2013 17:56 GMT
#59905
On June 05 2013 02:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
Dignitas made some minor roster swaps with tides of time (later reverted I believe, but still roster swaps). I'm not saying they are LESS stable just that as far as I'm concerned they are in the same boat as last year's teams were and I expect at least 2 teams to blow up. I'm not saying its VP or Dignitas, just threw out some names that seemed about as consistent as some teams from last year. Goodness knows mouz's roster has been all over the place, alliance is pretty new and Na'vi has made some real roster swaps recently as well.

Either way, nobody knows what is coming. My prediction is almost as much disarray after TI3 as after TI2, at least in western teams. I'm not here to argue my prediction with you, time will tell what happens

to be fair, having universe on their roster has give them some sickening boost. The guy played dota like a beast :-/
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 04 2013 17:57 GMT
#59906
Well, butterfly is 1.25K Gold more, so presumably it is better. Especially since you can either dodge PL hits OR force him to go MKB (which is pretty sub optimal). However, manta definitely has it's place.

I'm not sure that its "vs PL" so much as the rest of the team. Do you need to be manta'ing stuff off? are you in a position to throw manta illusions at their buildings while keeping your hero safe? Will they AOE rape your illusions instantly? These questions are also pretty important IMO.

I always end up with manta, but thats because I can never resist the casual yasha (that item is so good for 2K gold).
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 18:05:42
June 04 2013 18:01 GMT
#59907
On June 05 2013 02:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, butterfly is 1.25K Gold more, so presumably it is better. Especially since you can either dodge PL hits OR force him to go MKB (which is pretty sub optimal). However, manta definitely has it's place.

I'm not sure that its "vs PL" so much as the rest of the team. Do you need to be manta'ing stuff off? are you in a position to throw manta illusions at their buildings while keeping your hero safe? Will they AOE rape your illusions instantly? These questions are also pretty important IMO.

I always end up with manta, but thats because I can never resist the casual yasha (that item is so good for 2K gold).


I was going for Manta, but i didn't have enough farm to invest on it completely and decided to go butterfly after Yasha. Enemy team had Ogre, Rhasta, Kunkka and Seer with the PL. No items that i would've needed to manta out of.

But anyway, thanks for the info. I still believe going butterfly over manta at that point was the best decision possible.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 04 2013 18:05 GMT
#59908
I dunno if u had a BKB or not, but BKB neuters PL's damage (since diffusal doesn't burn mana thru it) so vs that team BKB should have been a priority for sure.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
June 04 2013 18:07 GMT
#59909
Yeah, i definitely had BKB. I usually go straight to BKB unless i get decent start and can get lifesteal before it. Basically treads-bkb/HoD/yasha->manta-butterfly-satanic. Something like that.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 04 2013 18:07 GMT
#59910
It's more about buildup and item timing. If you already had the yasha you will complete the manta before you get the eaglehorn so you "should" be stronger earlier than if you wait to complete the butter. The butter would make you overall better but will kick in a bit later. Can't really say which is better in that case without knowing the whole context of the game.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 04 2013 18:10 GMT
#59911
On June 05 2013 03:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
I dunno if u had a BKB or not, but BKB neuters PL's damage (since diffusal doesn't burn mana thru it) so vs that team BKB should have been a priority for sure.

It's not *supposed* to function through magic immunity, but there was a bug where it did, and I don't remember said bug ever getting fixed.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 04 2013 18:13 GMT
#59912
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 04 2013 18:15 GMT
#59913
On June 05 2013 03:13 NB wrote:
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.

U get free 100 ias for 4 attacks. guess how many attacks a bash takes to be pretty much guaranteed
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 18:16:43
June 04 2013 18:16 GMT
#59914
On June 05 2013 03:15 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:13 NB wrote:
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.

U get free 100 ias for 4 attacks. guess how many attacks a bash takes to be pretty much guaranteed

too bad bash doesnt do shit if the RNJEZUZ doesnt bless you with crits ;_;
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 04 2013 18:17 GMT
#59915
On June 05 2013 03:16 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:15 Qbek wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:13 NB wrote:
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.

U get free 100 ias for 4 attacks. guess how many attacks a bash takes to be pretty much guaranteed

too bad bash doesnt do shit if the RNJEZUZ doesnt bless you with crits ;_;

I play PA, CK, and LD only if I feel lucky that day
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#59916
Dunno, PA hits plenty hard without crits. Like, you either 2-shot somebody with crits or you just get a million free hits with bash. Either way they are dead, it's just which RNG proc you get.
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
June 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#59917
out of curiosity. how does the MM system work? it seems like solo queuing early on gets you stuck in a vicious cycle of mediocrity. Now I've got a abysmal win rate of exactly 50%. And have insanely long losing streaks. Getting quite sad actually.... Over the past week. I've lost about 20 games and won only 9. How pathetic is that.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 04 2013 18:26 GMT
#59918
On June 05 2013 03:17 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:16 NB wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:15 Qbek wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:13 NB wrote:
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.

U get free 100 ias for 4 attacks. guess how many attacks a bash takes to be pretty much guaranteed

too bad bash doesnt do shit if the RNJEZUZ doesnt bless you with crits ;_;

I play PA, CK, and LD only if I feel lucky that day

dont even tell me about CK, i have 0% wr with that hero Q_Q.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
June 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#59919
On June 05 2013 03:17 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:16 NB wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:15 Qbek wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:13 NB wrote:
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.

U get free 100 ias for 4 attacks. guess how many attacks a bash takes to be pretty much guaranteed

too bad bash doesnt do shit if the RNJEZUZ doesnt bless you with crits ;_;

I play PA, CK, and LD only if I feel lucky that day


And if you feel really lucky you queue CM and pick LD Ogre Brew PA and CM for the RNJesus hail Mary
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#59920
On June 05 2013 03:26 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:17 Qbek wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:16 NB wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:15 Qbek wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:13 NB wrote:
hmm, i have never known how good basher is on PA until i got it myself... Im rushing this shit every time from now on.

U get free 100 ias for 4 attacks. guess how many attacks a bash takes to be pretty much guaranteed

too bad bash doesnt do shit if the RNJEZUZ doesnt bless you with crits ;_;

I play PA, CK, and LD only if I feel lucky that day

dont even tell me about CK, i have 0% wr with that hero Q_Q.

I queued with some wisps, easiest wins even with 0 chat
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