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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 19 2013 12:08 GMT
#57421
They're worthless.
super gg
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
May 19 2013 13:33 GMT
#57422
I miss Gondor in comp play...
Primal666
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovenia418 Posts
May 19 2013 13:53 GMT
#57423
On May 19 2013 22:33 akatama wrote:
I miss Gondor in comp play...

Gondor has been pretty bad lately, mainly because it got destroyed by orcs....
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
May 19 2013 14:02 GMT
#57424
On May 19 2013 22:53 Primal666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 22:33 akatama wrote:
I miss Gondor in comp play...

Gondor has been pretty bad lately, mainly because it got destroyed by orcs....

Well played

On another note I couldn't find time to play DotA the last couple of days. So much stuff to do. #RLcommitmentssuck
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
May 19 2013 17:17 GMT
#57425
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
May 19 2013 17:28 GMT
#57426
On May 20 2013 02:17 eieio wrote:
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.

Professional TV stations have people dedicated to handling the technical side of things. While I don't mean to make excuses for them, you have to understand that these streams are all basically 1 guy handling everything. Except GD studios, of course.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 17:34:03
May 19 2013 17:31 GMT
#57427
On May 20 2013 02:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:17 eieio wrote:
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.

Professional TV stations have people dedicated to handling the technical side of things. While I don't mean to make excuses for them, you have to understand that these streams are all basically 1 guy handling everything. Except GD studios, of course.


Trance is handling the production side himself when live, isn't he? Obviously casting and observing is done by others.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
May 19 2013 17:35 GMT
#57428
On May 20 2013 02:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:17 eieio wrote:
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.

Professional TV stations have people dedicated to handling the technical side of things. While I don't mean to make excuses for them, you have to understand that these streams are all basically 1 guy handling everything. Except GD studios, of course.

Oh definitely, and I still watch streams all the time so it's not like it ruins my experience. I guess it surprises me that such a little thing can really bring me out of the moment/remind me that I'm still watching a fairly amateur stream. Production values are getting much nicer but little things like this show that they still have plenty more to improve on.
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TL+ Member
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
May 19 2013 17:38 GMT
#57429
On May 20 2013 02:31 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
On May 20 2013 02:17 eieio wrote:
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.

Professional TV stations have people dedicated to handling the technical side of things. While I don't mean to make excuses for them, you have to understand that these streams are all basically 1 guy handling everything. Except GD studios, of course.


Trance is handling the production side himself when live, isn't he? Obviously casting and observing is done by others.

Yes, but that's precisely it. GD have a guy dedicated to production. Most other streams have one guy handling the production, technical problems, streaming, entertaining, observing, etc etc. It's not easy.

Obviously there is always space to improve ^_^
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
May 19 2013 17:40 GMT
#57430
On May 20 2013 02:38 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:31 Grettin wrote:
On May 20 2013 02:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
On May 20 2013 02:17 eieio wrote:
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.

Professional TV stations have people dedicated to handling the technical side of things. While I don't mean to make excuses for them, you have to understand that these streams are all basically 1 guy handling everything. Except GD studios, of course.


Trance is handling the production side himself when live, isn't he? Obviously casting and observing is done by others.

Yes, but that's precisely it. GD have a guy dedicated to production. Most other streams have one guy handling the production, technical problems, streaming, entertaining, observing, etc etc. It's not easy.

Obviously there is always space to improve ^_^

It's funny, I was actually watching GD when I saw this overlay problem in the first place, so apparently it's difficult even with a guy devoted to production.
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TL+ Member
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
May 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#57431
On May 20 2013 02:38 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:31 Grettin wrote:
On May 20 2013 02:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
On May 20 2013 02:17 eieio wrote:
I'm not sure why, but it really bugs me when streams have an overlay up for drafting and don't take it down immediately when they switch to the in-game view. It's typically only up for a few seconds but it always strikes me as pretty unprofessional I guess.

Professional TV stations have people dedicated to handling the technical side of things. While I don't mean to make excuses for them, you have to understand that these streams are all basically 1 guy handling everything. Except GD studios, of course.


Trance is handling the production side himself when live, isn't he? Obviously casting and observing is done by others.

Yes, but that's precisely it. GD have a guy dedicated to production. Most other streams have one guy handling the production, technical problems, streaming, entertaining, observing, etc etc. It's not easy.

Obviously there is always space to improve ^_^


Yeah, you are definitely right. We'll, BTS is looking decent as well. More than one people working behind the production also, but GD Studios are easily the best studio when it comes to this at the moment IMO.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
May 19 2013 17:58 GMT
#57432
Well I haven't tried netherswap yet, but it should work similarly to the way that it works on sc2 pro streams. it'll automatically switch the selected scene per the feedback it gets from the game.

This way when you're in lobby it'll be one thing, and then when you're in game it'll be another. However if this works for drafting --> Game is another matter as I have never used it.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
May 19 2013 18:03 GMT
#57433
On May 20 2013 02:58 LeLoup wrote:
Well I haven't tried netherswap yet, but it should work similarly to the way that it works on sc2 pro streams. it'll automatically switch the selected scene per the feedback it gets from the game.

This way when you're in lobby it'll be one thing, and then when you're in game it'll be another. However if this works for drafting --> Game is another matter as I have never used it.

The easiest solution I can see is to have some kind of intro clip you play as soon as the draft is finalized, before players have even selected their heroes. You play the clip, then come back to the stream without displaying the overlay, whether or not we're still on the drafting screen. If we're still on the drafting screen, it's just shown for a few seconds without the overlay. If we aren't, you can fade in the in-game overlay. Having no overlay for a second or too seems a lot better to me than having the drafting overlay hiding most of the actually game.

Obviously being able to do it automatically would be wayy better though.
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TL+ Member
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
May 19 2013 18:59 GMT
#57434
http://pastebin.com/wrTbWxxp

Ignoring the fact that they are most likely fake i really like most of those changes. They are really drastic but in the good way in my opinion.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
May 19 2013 19:01 GMT
#57435
On May 20 2013 03:59 gaymon wrote:
http://pastebin.com/wrTbWxxp

Ignoring the fact that they are most likely fake i really like most of those changes. They are really drastic but in the good way in my opinion.


99% is just random crap that doesn't even make sense
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
May 19 2013 19:02 GMT
#57436
Sounds like stupid shit S2 would do.
Skol
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
May 19 2013 19:02 GMT
#57437
On May 20 2013 03:59 gaymon wrote:
http://pastebin.com/wrTbWxxp

Ignoring the fact that they are most likely fake i really like most of those changes. They are really drastic but in the good way in my opinion.


Butcher

- Armor increased by 1.
- Meat Hook's damage tweaked:
|
| Deals 100/160/220/280 pure damage on impact + 10 per | 100 units dragged.


Butcher?? Since when has Pudge been called Butcher in patch notes?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 19:09:23
May 19 2013 19:06 GMT
#57438
On May 20 2013 04:02 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 03:59 gaymon wrote:
http://pastebin.com/wrTbWxxp

Ignoring the fact that they are most likely fake i really like most of those changes. They are really drastic but in the good way in my opinion.


Show nested quote +
Butcher

- Armor increased by 1.
- Meat Hook's damage tweaked:
|
| Deals 100/160/220/280 pure damage on impact + 10 per | 100 units dragged.


Butcher?? Since when has Pudge been called Butcher in patch notes?


Afaik internally he is called butcher

Edit: @ the guy claiming those changes dont make sense, tell me which ones and why

Edit2: Pudge change for example is to weaken the playstyle of running up to your opponent, dismembering him and meleerange hook him afterwards, hook is intented to be nuke which does not hit every time, which it does in the first situation
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
May 19 2013 19:09 GMT
#57439
Skimmed through it and looks fake to me. The huge giveaway for me was the 'Ogre Magi - Multicast now works on (some) items!', with no explanation or elaboration for this. Icefrog has always included a more detailed explanation on his patchnotes.
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gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
May 19 2013 19:11 GMT
#57440
Well those item changes seem kinda random but at the same time they dont affect the game at all or cost development time.
They may very well be in to make it look fake *puts tinfoil hat on*
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