EPT1 in heartstopper at 1 if you want, the constant degen is pretty painful to lane against but it does push the lane slightly
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
1 in heartstopper at 1 if you want, the constant degen is pretty painful to lane against but it does push the lane slightly | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On May 19 2013 18:13 elt wrote: How do you level Necro? I'd assume max Death pulse, one in Sadist at lvl 2/3 and max Heartstopper second? Depends on the game. If you're ricing then more in sadist before heartstopper sometimes. Also level 1 hearstopper is sometimes better than lvl 1 pulse or sadist. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 19 2013 18:15 Dead9 wrote: max death pulse then sadist 1 in heartstopper at 1 if you want, the constant degen is pretty painful to lane against but it does push the lane slightly There's also a very noticeable difference between level 1 Sadist and level 2 Sadist, so staying with only level 1 Sadist till level 8 can be pretty frustrating. It's pretty situational. Particularly melee heroes will spend more time inside Heartstopper, so that rank 1 Heartstopper will have more effectiveness against them. After the buffs to Sadist, its rare that you want to max Heartstopper over Sadist. Was more reasonable when it returned only mana, but Sadist is also a 240 HP heal on hero kills as well now, which has a really big effect in fights when you get a kill with Scythe and get an enormous burst of HP back. Almost always 4-1-4 or even 4-0-4 now. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On May 19 2013 18:28 NB wrote: What are good items on orge if you are not going Mek first? I have been playing orge quite a bit lately and any item feel awkward on him :-/ aghanims | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
e: just don't go aghanims first. You don't nearly have enough mana to use it, even with Arcane boots, it's absolutely not worth it. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
I like Necrobook orge though. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
his stun cd is short and it's really good so if you can position yourself properly you can cast it over and over in fights | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On May 19 2013 18:28 NB wrote: What are good items on orge if you are not going Mek first? I have been playing orge quite a bit lately and any item feel awkward on him :-/ I'd go for a force staff since that item is amazing. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 19 2013 15:32 TheYango wrote: Necro isn't a support. He's a carry. You need to give him mid (awkward cuz his ganking is mediocre and he has some bad matchups--but he crushes almost all melees really hard) or freefarm him safe lane. Anything less than 2nd position farm makes it rough for Necro to really bring his advantages to bear (it's Zhou and Burning who play Necrolyte on iG and DK, not the lower-position players). Necro requires you to be able to get an advantage off of either your fundamentals, or your lane matchup early. If you get an advantage you basically crush your lane because even the first rank of Sadist means you're constantly regen-ing a ton of HP and mana. Necro has two things that make him really good in pubs: 1) he turns around fights where the other team overcommits really well (heal teammate, Scythe enemy that dived for kill), and 2) he snowballs really hard once you get to the point where your team can just kill someone. As soon as someone drops into Scythe kill range, you just grab the kill and instantly pop your HP up and clean up the fight. That's exactly my problem with necro, many people expects him to support. When I have one on my team I tell him to go mid or if he ends up in my lane I tell him to take the farm so no problme. But when I pick him, I almost always end as support. It's like asking zeus to support... | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On May 19 2013 18:41 cecek wrote: I think Midas is good, if you're getting decent gold in the beginning. Like you said, no one item really makes him that much stronger, so spending the gold to get more exp is neat, I think. And later on you still can spend the gold on good items like aghanims, hex and shiva. Of course, if you're buying wards and not farming at all, you're happy if you can get arcane boots. e: just don't go aghanims first. You don't nearly have enough mana to use it, even with Arcane boots, it's absolutely not worth it. what, ofc you do, stun is 105 mana and agha stun is 400 mana by the time you get it you should have like 800-1000 mana | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
plus frenzy is 75 and the slow is another 100 or so | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
FXO vs AKMA. http://www.twitch.tv/dota2tvkr/old I really hope Korean DotA flourishes, would be great to see them play at a high level at some point. | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
On May 19 2013 19:18 cilinder007 wrote: what, ofc you do, stun is 105 mana and agha stun is 400 mana by the time you get it you should have like 800-1000 mana Stun is 175 mana with maxed multicast, and has 6 sec cd. Seriously just no. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On May 19 2013 19:33 Andr3 wrote: Korean league Grand Finals are on right now if anyone's interested. FXO vs AKMA. http://www.twitch.tv/dota2tvkr/old I really hope Korean DotA flourishes, would be great to see them play at a high level at some point. Sadly,I don't think it will happened. LoL is just way too huge in Korea now. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On May 19 2013 19:04 nojok wrote: That's exactly my problem with necro, many people expects him to support. When I have one on my team I tell him to go mid or if he ends up in my lane I tell him to take the farm so no problme. But when I pick him, I almost always end as support. It's like asking zeus to support... While this is true, pretty much all the necros I see do it to themselves by picking him when we already have a strong mid and two carries on our team. If we have mag, am and weaver and someone takes necro, you can bet that guy just opted into support necro. Same deal with zeus, who is nearly as common a lastpick as drow. I agree it can be a problem when someone picks him first and then the team takes another three carries, but at that point it helps to say "I'll need a support" or whatever. Personally, I didn't know what to do with him until this came up, and I think a lot of people are in the same boat. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
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