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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 19 2013 00:06 GMT
#57361
Because that's not the part of the item that's an issue. On the good Radiance users, it's not a problem of the item being too weak. It's because saving 3800 gold for your first major item is suicide in a game where everybody is pushing and teamfighting with major timings centered around 2k-3k gold items.
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Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 00:08:39
May 19 2013 00:06 GMT
#57362
On May 19 2013 09:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 09:01 Zealos wrote:
On May 19 2013 08:47 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.

8% doesn't seem all that useful. Not to mention if it were an item for a "tank" then the +60 dmg wouldn't really be all too useful.

I don't really know about changing items, but I'd make the buildup to it different, then having less +dmg as an item.
Perhaps using a demon edge instead of Relic then adjusting the +dmg appropriately?

You missed the joke.


Still, old radiance was good because of 90minutes ricing fests. Sure the nerf didn't help, but I don't think putting back evasion would make it good again.

Either : Make it an upgrade for a big item like abyssal or make it so you can build it and be useful fast.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 19 2013 00:09 GMT
#57363
Or just leave the item as is and wait for a few versions. The way people play the game changes. Just because the game is fast now doesn't mean it will be fast forever.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 19 2013 00:16 GMT
#57364
On May 19 2013 09:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 09:01 Zealos wrote:
On May 19 2013 08:47 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.

8% doesn't seem all that useful. Not to mention if it were an item for a "tank" then the +60 dmg wouldn't really be all too useful.

I don't really know about changing items, but I'd make the buildup to it different, then having less +dmg as an item.
Perhaps using a demon edge instead of Relic then adjusting the +dmg appropriately?

You missed the joke.

Perhaps I haven't played long enough? What's the joke? o.O
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maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 00:24:56
May 19 2013 00:17 GMT
#57365
On May 19 2013 08:58 nojok wrote:
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On May 19 2013 05:25 maru~ wrote:
On May 19 2013 05:06 Tyrran wrote:
On May 19 2013 05:03 maru~ wrote:
Dusa with stats + shield build and midgame-oriented items is super tanky and deals okayish dps come midgame.


Snake does a LOT of damage in midgame teamfigths (up to 1950 total damage if all 6 jump hits) , seems a shame to skip it if going for a midgame build.

Snake won't hit that many heroes usually though.

You also lose quite a bit if you go for Snake build, don't forget that you are still the carry. The problem is that if you go for Snake, you either max it with stats which delays Shield and Splitshot, or you go Snake+Shield in which case you don't have the early stats which means your Shield will be weaker, you'll be easier to gank and have weaker lh, while also not having the stats later on in the fights. Shield stats on the other hand makes you really tanky from very early in the game, is very good against harass and allows to trade hits easily etc.

Stats are quite underrated. But there are reasons why for example many Gyro players go for 4-1-4 or even 1-1-4 (or maybe even 1-0-4) builds.

On May 19 2013 05:15 cecek wrote:
e: Mana shield + stats is awful, come on... Why would you turn your hero into a ranged creep on purpose?

Why would you skill a mediocre nuke (unless it hits a lot of heroes) which does you more bad than good if it hits less than 3 heroes instead of stats which are fantastic on Dusa because she is one of the few heroes where all 3 stats are of utmost importance and which boost her early and midgame?

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How is mystic snake awful? Many heroes are mana starve early game, it hurts them a lot, later it's so spammable you can farm faster with it, it's great at killing escaping ennemies, it breaks sieges from ennemies, it gives you mana which is equal to HP. My favorite skill build is snake stats snake stats snake ulti snake mana shield x2 then max ulti split shot stats.It's timed so you can always clear creep waves fast.

>Many heroes are mana starve early game
Pushes lane, doesn't drain that much mana, can be dodged unless you use it directly on the enemy in which case it's a weak nuke.
>later it's so spammable you can farm faster with it
Later you don't need it to farm faster because you can clear waves with Splitshot (which is not delayed compared to a snake stats build).
>it's great at killing escaping ennemies
Okay, so? That's not Dusa's job. Gyro rocket is also good at killing escaping enemies, still almost no one skills it beyond 1.
>it breaks sieges from ennemies
You can autoattack waves, you also have teammates with aoe spells.
>it gives you mana which is equal to HP
If it hits less than 3 enemies you lose mana on cast, if it hits 3 you go about even. You only actually gain mana if you hit more than that.

As I already said, going snake stats makes you easier to gank early and squishier in early teamfights as well as take more harass in lane and delays your Splitshot. Also I have no idea why you would leave Mana Shield on level 2.
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
May 19 2013 00:18 GMT
#57366
On May 19 2013 09:16 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 09:03 TheYango wrote:
On May 19 2013 09:01 Zealos wrote:
On May 19 2013 08:47 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.

8% doesn't seem all that useful. Not to mention if it were an item for a "tank" then the +60 dmg wouldn't really be all too useful.

I don't really know about changing items, but I'd make the buildup to it different, then having less +dmg as an item.
Perhaps using a demon edge instead of Relic then adjusting the +dmg appropriately?

You missed the joke.

Perhaps I haven't played long enough? What's the joke? o.O


That's the old radiance.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 19 2013 00:19 GMT
#57367
On May 19 2013 09:18 levelnoobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 09:16 Zealos wrote:
On May 19 2013 09:03 TheYango wrote:
On May 19 2013 09:01 Zealos wrote:
On May 19 2013 08:47 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.

8% doesn't seem all that useful. Not to mention if it were an item for a "tank" then the +60 dmg wouldn't really be all too useful.

I don't really know about changing items, but I'd make the buildup to it different, then having less +dmg as an item.
Perhaps using a demon edge instead of Relic then adjusting the +dmg appropriately?

You missed the joke.

Perhaps I haven't played long enough? What's the joke? o.O


That's the old radiance.

Well that seems absolutely useless : D
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 19 2013 00:25 GMT
#57368
I always felt the evasion on Radiance was the most random stat ever. Never understood why it existed and the amount was just odd. I guess it goes with the style that tanky heroes built radiance, but it still was really weird.
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 00:30:15
May 19 2013 00:28 GMT
#57369
On May 19 2013 09:25 SKC wrote:
I always felt the evasion on Radiance was the most random stat ever. Never understood why it existed and the amount was just odd. I guess it goes with the style that tanky heroes built radiance, but it still was really weird.


Lorely speaking it made sense. You're all shiny and stuff so people are blinded and miss you. When you are tanky, 8% evasion is pretty good. This radiance is quite insipid...
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
May 19 2013 00:58 GMT
#57370
@maru
Tons of good spells are easy to dodge, I still max powershot 1st on wind...
Faster is always better when you're a farming whore
Happily enough it does not give back full mana, it still does damages you know...
You're not always with your mates early game, they can pressure enenmies's carry and in return they will pressure you. You see them coming to you, you back, they're close of their creep wave, land snake on closest creep and the following support/solo hard lane will lose a big chunk of his life if he takes the last shot. Your ulti gives your mates tons of time to TP,
Mana shield level 2 is because it will delay split shot too much and after split shot and ulti are maxed I usually have around the same amount of life and mana, so I don't need a better ratio.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 19 2013 01:12 GMT
#57371
I usually have around the same amount of life and mana, so I don't need a better ratio.


Why does this matter at all? The only reason you wouldn't care about a better ratio is if you were running out of health before mana and this isn't possible in dota barring some crazy circumstance like kotl+5 arcane boots.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
May 19 2013 01:30 GMT
#57372
On May 19 2013 09:28 levelnoobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 09:25 SKC wrote:
I always felt the evasion on Radiance was the most random stat ever. Never understood why it existed and the amount was just odd. I guess it goes with the style that tanky heroes built radiance, but it still was really weird.


Lorely speaking it made sense. You're all shiny and stuff so people are blinded and miss you. When you are tanky, 8% evasion is pretty good. This radiance is quite insipid...

Pretty much came to that conclusion too about the small evasion on Radiance a while back.
Skol
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 02:59:26
May 19 2013 02:58 GMT
#57373
God. I really hate playing necrolyte

He's really one of those heros that just feels like you do nothing for the whole game.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
May 19 2013 03:00 GMT
#57374
Hmm..people playing on sea, does it feel really laggy?
I havent played in a while, my ping shows 60, but it feels like there is some sort of delay...
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
May 19 2013 03:02 GMT
#57375
On May 19 2013 11:58 Shaella wrote:
God. I really hate playing necrolyte

He's really one of those heros that just feels like you do nothing for the whole game.

Subtle disclaimer that you should never listen to this guy if he is part of any discussion.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 19 2013 03:05 GMT
#57376
On May 19 2013 12:00 dartoo wrote:
Hmm..people playing on sea, does it feel really laggy?
I havent played in a while, my ping shows 60, but it feels like there is some sort of delay...


Yes.
Recently, the server has been a bit more laggy and delay.

Play your best
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 19 2013 03:08 GMT
#57377
On May 19 2013 12:05 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:00 dartoo wrote:
Hmm..people playing on sea, does it feel really laggy?
I havent played in a while, my ping shows 60, but it feels like there is some sort of delay...


Yes.
Recently, the server has been a bit more laggy and delay.


thank god it's not only me, i get about 1k ping spikes in several occasions, i thought the servers were fixed?
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 19 2013 03:08 GMT
#57378
On May 19 2013 12:02 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 11:58 Shaella wrote:
God. I really hate playing necrolyte

He's really one of those heros that just feels like you do nothing for the whole game.

Subtle disclaimer that you should never listen to this guy if he is part of any discussion.

that wasn't very subtle at all
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:38:47
May 19 2013 04:38 GMT
#57379
On May 19 2013 12:08 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 12:05 FakeDeath wrote:
On May 19 2013 12:00 dartoo wrote:
Hmm..people playing on sea, does it feel really laggy?
I havent played in a while, my ping shows 60, but it feels like there is some sort of delay...


Yes.
Recently, the server has been a bit more laggy and delay.


thank god it's not only me, i get about 1k ping spikes in several occasions, i thought the servers were fixed?

It wasn't as laggy now at least for me.

blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#57380
On May 19 2013 11:58 Shaella wrote:
God. I really hate playing necrolyte

He's really one of those heros that just feels like you do nothing for the whole game.

I can't tell if you're serious. This hero is extremely powerful from early to mid if you build him (both skill and item) correctly. Getting a super fast Mek and then another major item in the first 15-20 minutes wins games. Games where I random Necro is like an automatic easy win.
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