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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2889 Posts
May 18 2013 21:38 GMT
#57341
If nothing else the fact that it completly fucks blink daggers is gold.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 18 2013 21:40 GMT
#57342
On May 19 2013 06:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:05 Shaella wrote:
It could use a buff, yeah

I don't agree with that.

I don't think it's a good idea to buff things that are just out of style because they don't fit the current trends of how the game is played. Because that inevitably changes. Radiance was totally fine in 6.74, and even early 6.75 on certain heroes. The item is fine, it's just the pace of the game is too fast for it right this moment. But if the general pace of the game changes a few versions from now do you just revert your unnecessary buff that was just a reaction to current playstyles and not to a legitimate weakness of the item?

I guess, but i just look at it right now, its its just so so niche right now, and its never really been anything but incredibly niche
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 18 2013 21:43 GMT
#57343
On May 19 2013 06:40 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 06:35 TheYango wrote:
On May 19 2013 06:05 Shaella wrote:
It could use a buff, yeah

I don't agree with that.

I don't think it's a good idea to buff things that are just out of style because they don't fit the current trends of how the game is played. Because that inevitably changes. Radiance was totally fine in 6.74, and even early 6.75 on certain heroes. The item is fine, it's just the pace of the game is too fast for it right this moment. But if the general pace of the game changes a few versions from now do you just revert your unnecessary buff that was just a reaction to current playstyles and not to a legitimate weakness of the item?

I guess, but i just look at it right now, its its just so so niche right now, and its never really been anything but incredibly niche

??? There were times when nothing but Radiance carries (usually Doom, Weaver, Spectre, Syllabear) were played.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
May 18 2013 21:51 GMT
#57344
Radiance has never been anything but incredibly niche.

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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 18 2013 21:58 GMT
#57345
hmm, mTw won The International qualifier :-/
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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
May 18 2013 23:12 GMT
#57346
Gotta love pubs

> bdc5z has randomed Phantom Lancer
> [ALLIES] bdc5z: is phantom lancer any good?
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 18 2013 23:27 GMT
#57347
i only just realized that i argued with fnatic hanni over soloing mid when he picked dazzle
what a funny game that was
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Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
May 18 2013 23:33 GMT
#57348
Tried Dota 2 for the first time and my god how more advanced it is than LoL. I could easily go into LoL and understand it but Dota 2 is way more complicated. Its heroes abilities are alot more difficult to understand. Think i need to watch youtube tutorials on this game.
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
May 18 2013 23:35 GMT
#57349
On May 19 2013 08:33 Avean wrote:
Tried Dota 2 for the first time and my god how more advanced it is than LoL. I could easily go into LoL and understand it but Dota 2 is way more complicated. Its heroes abilities are alot more difficult to understand. Think i need to watch youtube tutorials on this game.


You can also just play bot games to get a feel with some heroes.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
May 18 2013 23:37 GMT
#57350
Radiance buff -> Sacred Relic cost lowered from 3800 to 3750. Radiance ok.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 23:40:13
May 18 2013 23:39 GMT
#57351
Radiance WAS buffed in a recent patch. Wasn't it? (6.75 I thought, I remember thinking it was hilarious that they had overlooked sticky napalm working again with it and it was like patched the next day). From 40 - >45 burn damage.
edit -
Also fix armlet bear and we might see radiance bear more often
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 18 2013 23:43 GMT
#57352
On May 19 2013 08:39 Nevuk wrote:
Radiance WAS buffed in a recent patch. Wasn't it? (6.75 I thought, I remember thinking it was hilarious that they had overlooked sticky napalm working again with it and it was like patched the next day). From 40 - >45 burn damage.
edit -
Also fix armlet bear and we might see radiance bear more often

Radiance bear was phased out for maelstrom before people started using armlet wasn't it?
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Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
May 18 2013 23:47 GMT
#57353
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
May 18 2013 23:48 GMT
#57354
On May 19 2013 08:43 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 08:39 Nevuk wrote:
Radiance WAS buffed in a recent patch. Wasn't it? (6.75 I thought, I remember thinking it was hilarious that they had overlooked sticky napalm working again with it and it was like patched the next day). From 40 - >45 burn damage.
edit -
Also fix armlet bear and we might see radiance bear more often

Radiance bear was phased out for maelstrom before people started using armlet wasn't it?


Not really , just different play styles, more trends rather than meta shift..
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 23:49:19
May 18 2013 23:48 GMT
#57355
On May 19 2013 08:43 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 08:39 Nevuk wrote:
Radiance WAS buffed in a recent patch. Wasn't it? (6.75 I thought, I remember thinking it was hilarious that they had overlooked sticky napalm working again with it and it was like patched the next day). From 40 - >45 burn damage.
edit -
Also fix armlet bear and we might see radiance bear more often

Radiance bear was phased out for maelstrom before people started using armlet wasn't it?


Not really. Maelstrom is more of an alternative to radiance that provides different timings.

Maelstrom -> AC makes your push timing a lot faster than the radiance -> AC pushes.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
May 18 2013 23:58 GMT
#57356
On May 19 2013 05:25 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 05:06 Tyrran wrote:
On May 19 2013 05:03 maru~ wrote:
Dusa with stats + shield build and midgame-oriented items is super tanky and deals okayish dps come midgame.


Snake does a LOT of damage in midgame teamfigths (up to 1950 total damage if all 6 jump hits) , seems a shame to skip it if going for a midgame build.

Snake won't hit that many heroes usually though.

You also lose quite a bit if you go for Snake build, don't forget that you are still the carry. The problem is that if you go for Snake, you either max it with stats which delays Shield and Splitshot, or you go Snake+Shield in which case you don't have the early stats which means your Shield will be weaker, you'll be easier to gank and have weaker lh, while also not having the stats later on in the fights. Shield stats on the other hand makes you really tanky from very early in the game, is very good against harass and allows to trade hits easily etc.

Stats are quite underrated. But there are reasons why for example many Gyro players go for 4-1-4 or even 1-1-4 (or maybe even 1-0-4) builds.

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 05:15 cecek wrote:
e: Mana shield + stats is awful, come on... Why would you turn your hero into a ranged creep on purpose?

Why would you skill a mediocre nuke (unless it hits a lot of heroes) which does you more bad than good if it hits less than 3 heroes instead of stats which are fantastic on Dusa because she is one of the few heroes where all 3 stats are of utmost importance and which boost her early and midgame?

How is mystic snake awful? Many heroes are mana starve early game, it hurts them a lot, later it's so spammable you can farm faster with it, it's great at killing escaping ennemies, it breaks sieges from ennemies, it gives you mana which is equal to HP. My favorite skill build is snake stats snake stats snake ulti snake mana shield x2 then max ulti split shot stats.It's timed so you can always clear creep waves fast.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 18 2013 23:59 GMT
#57357
On May 19 2013 08:48 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 08:43 Zealos wrote:
On May 19 2013 08:39 Nevuk wrote:
Radiance WAS buffed in a recent patch. Wasn't it? (6.75 I thought, I remember thinking it was hilarious that they had overlooked sticky napalm working again with it and it was like patched the next day). From 40 - >45 burn damage.
edit -
Also fix armlet bear and we might see radiance bear more often

Radiance bear was phased out for maelstrom before people started using armlet wasn't it?


Not really. Maelstrom is more of an alternative to radiance that provides different timings.

Maelstrom -> AC makes your push timing a lot faster than the radiance -> AC pushes.

Except Radiance Bear's first push timing is the Radiance push. Radiance on Bear is completely unlike on other carries because Bear does not need to pair it with a survivability item.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 19 2013 00:01 GMT
#57358
On May 19 2013 08:47 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.

8% doesn't seem all that useful. Not to mention if it were an item for a "tank" then the +60 dmg wouldn't really be all too useful.

I don't really know about changing items, but I'd make the buildup to it different, then having less +dmg as an item.
Perhaps using a demon edge instead of Relic then adjusting the +dmg appropriately?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 19 2013 00:03 GMT
#57359
On May 19 2013 09:01 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 08:47 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd rather see some sort of remake, maybe don't make it a farming item but more of an item for tank, like lower damage and give evasion, something like:

+60 damage
30 burn damage
8% evasion

I'd use that.

8% doesn't seem all that useful. Not to mention if it were an item for a "tank" then the +60 dmg wouldn't really be all too useful.

I don't really know about changing items, but I'd make the buildup to it different, then having less +dmg as an item.
Perhaps using a demon edge instead of Relic then adjusting the +dmg appropriately?

You missed the joke.
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 00:06:26
May 19 2013 00:04 GMT
#57360
Why not just deacrease recipie cost?

Also radiance on bear lets you push a lane while not being there.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
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