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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:03:40
May 18 2013 12:03 GMT
#57241
meh i mean it has it's uses, but it's situational even on the heroes it's good on

edit: sny is awful too
but at least it makes you run faster and running fast owns
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
May 18 2013 12:05 GMT
#57242
In hon they made it so that when linken's was on cooldown and someone used a spell on you that would trigger it, the cooldown would reduce by 5 seconds. They also reduced the cost of the recipe by like 300 gold.

I'm not sure, but I think that change made it a bit more popular, but still not insanely so by any means, and I'm not sure that's the best way to go about buffing the item, should that be needed.
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
May 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#57243
SnY being awful might have been true a few years ago, but after all those buffs I'm inclined to think it's actually quite good as a situational item.
Religion: Buckethead
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
May 18 2013 12:11 GMT
#57244
On May 18 2013 21:05 Canas wrote:
In hon they made it so that when linken's was on cooldown and someone used a spell on you that would trigger it, the cooldown would reduce by 5 seconds. They also reduced the cost of the recipe by like 300 gold.

I'm not sure, but I think that change made it a bit more popular, but still not insanely so by any means, and I'm not sure that's the best way to go about buffing the item, should that be needed.

They removed that though (the whole cooldown reduction thing).
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:14:24
May 18 2013 12:13 GMT
#57245
On May 18 2013 19:40 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 19:14 Iplaythings wrote:
On May 18 2013 18:24 BurningSera wrote:
The only reason for me (ever) going linken first weaver would has to be playing against a Doom but I'd still avoid getting that horrible item on weaver if i could. Even bfury is a better item for weaver when compared to Linken.

That's straight out bullshit, linkens is good for weaver as it makes alot of his hard counters (lion, silencer) make him loose worth and makes him a pain in the ass to lock down in teamfights, if you don't have linkens (or bkb, which I agree is better in the majority of the cases) there's very few times where you can actually run rampant.

Weaver doesn't need a damage dealing item as his first item to make impact on teamfights, he just needs to not get locked down and die and if he cannot do that he cannot do the job, linkens is more often choosed on weaver over bkb simply because ultimate orb is a really fucking good item on weaver and weaver in shukuichi often really gets 1 spell in the face before running away / time lapsing away.

Only thing about linkens is that I think it's completely wasted if you get it too late as the mana solving issue will be non relevant after you allready have drums, treads and aquila


Bkb 3900gold.

Or, people should actually think when they are playing weaver, how to positioning, how to engage/getting out of teamfight with shukuchi/ulti.

No, that wasn't bullshit, at all.

The battlefury part

And people on TL hate on linkens with a passion, so ofcourse I wouldn't be agreed with
In the woods, there lurks..
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
May 18 2013 12:14 GMT
#57246
On May 18 2013 20:55 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 20:52 Dead9 wrote:
idk but as it stands linkens is one of the worst items in the game

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 20:52 Yoshi- wrote:
Linkens is fine the way it is. No need to make random buff to make it op

Clearly everyone doesn't think the same. I'd like to see a buff to the item, not necessarily one reminiscent of what I suggested, but something to make the item worth buying in a wider array of cases.


If you think linkens is worse than rod, sange or veil
You are quite weird
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
May 18 2013 12:23 GMT
#57247
Rod gives insane stats, it's just that the heroes that want it can't get it/need something else more importantly. Same for Sange & Halberd. As for Veil... the item is good on bad heroes mostly so...
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:26:15
May 18 2013 12:24 GMT
#57248
On May 18 2013 21:23 ArcticRaven wrote:
Rod gives insane stats, it's just that the heroes that want it can't get it/need something else more importantly. Same for Sange & Halberd. As for Veil... the item is good on bad heroes mostly so...


And yet still linkens is picked up more than all three items combined

And the stats that rod give are absolute terrible for it costs
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:33:00
May 18 2013 12:26 GMT
#57249
On May 18 2013 21:13 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 19:40 BurningSera wrote:
On May 18 2013 19:14 Iplaythings wrote:
On May 18 2013 18:24 BurningSera wrote:
The only reason for me (ever) going linken first weaver would has to be playing against a Doom but I'd still avoid getting that horrible item on weaver if i could. Even bfury is a better item for weaver when compared to Linken.

That's straight out bullshit, linkens is good for weaver as it makes alot of his hard counters (lion, silencer) make him loose worth and makes him a pain in the ass to lock down in teamfights, if you don't have linkens (or bkb, which I agree is better in the majority of the cases) there's very few times where you can actually run rampant.

Weaver doesn't need a damage dealing item as his first item to make impact on teamfights, he just needs to not get locked down and die and if he cannot do that he cannot do the job, linkens is more often choosed on weaver over bkb simply because ultimate orb is a really fucking good item on weaver and weaver in shukuichi often really gets 1 spell in the face before running away / time lapsing away.

Only thing about linkens is that I think it's completely wasted if you get it too late as the mana solving issue will be non relevant after you allready have drums, treads and aquila


Bkb 3900gold.

Or, people should actually think when they are playing weaver, how to positioning, how to engage/getting out of teamfight with shukuchi/ulti.

No, that wasn't bullshit, at all.

The battlefury part

And people on TL hate on linkens with a passion, so ofcourse I wouldn't be agreed with


That was exaggerating yes but if you really needed that perse early, spending another 2600gold can give you +60damage, not a bad deal at all (albeit without stats, but on the dps aspect), at least, to me lol.

Obviously not for uber serious game but this is coming from someone who consistently building basher/AB on his mirana and bfury from time to time >_>

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http://dotabuff.com/matches/118665467

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is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
May 18 2013 12:32 GMT
#57250
situational ≠ bad
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
May 18 2013 12:51 GMT
#57251
I personally dont really understand the hate on SNY. I still build it, as a situational item like i need the dps now because my team is getting raped. Its a cost-effective item as the parts are small. A SNY is better then nothing when your in a bind
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
May 18 2013 13:08 GMT
#57252
On May 18 2013 21:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 20:55 Testuser wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:52 Dead9 wrote:
idk but as it stands linkens is one of the worst items in the game

On May 18 2013 20:52 Yoshi- wrote:
Linkens is fine the way it is. No need to make random buff to make it op

Clearly everyone doesn't think the same. I'd like to see a buff to the item, not necessarily one reminiscent of what I suggested, but something to make the item worth buying in a wider array of cases.


If you think linkens is worse than rod, sange or veil
You are quite weird

I never said that, so please don't try to put words in my mouth.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
May 18 2013 13:12 GMT
#57253
On May 18 2013 22:08 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 21:14 Yoshi- wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:55 Testuser wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:52 Dead9 wrote:
idk but as it stands linkens is one of the worst items in the game

On May 18 2013 20:52 Yoshi- wrote:
Linkens is fine the way it is. No need to make random buff to make it op

Clearly everyone doesn't think the same. I'd like to see a buff to the item, not necessarily one reminiscent of what I suggested, but something to make the item worth buying in a wider array of cases.


If you think linkens is worse than rod, sange or veil
You are quite weird

I never said that, so please don't try to put words in my mouth.


But the guy who you quoted?
SXGCoil
Profile Joined February 2012
United States341 Posts
May 18 2013 13:49 GMT
#57254
How would daedulus be on Doom? It gives good damage and a better crit modifier than the alpha wolf. You lose out on the 30% dmg aura but would the centaur stun and the 15% atkspeed aura make up for it?
wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
May 18 2013 13:54 GMT
#57255
Linkens on morphling are better than weaver though the cost really not compensate much
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
May 18 2013 14:01 GMT
#57256
On May 18 2013 22:49 SXGCoil wrote:
How would daedulus be on Doom? It gives good damage and a better crit modifier than the alpha wolf. You lose out on the 30% dmg aura but would the centaur stun and the 15% atkspeed aura make up for it?

Spending 5k on an item that gives pure damage is probably not worth it on doom. Yeah Daedalus gives a better crit/more damage but putting the 5k to an AC and eating an alpha wolf would be better because of the auras and the fact that doom has literally the lowest agi gain in the game and has no armour at all but a large HP pool make armour really good on him since armour leverages so much. Maybe a sheepstick, sheep is good on pretty much everyone depends on the game.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
SXGCoil
Profile Joined February 2012
United States341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 14:06:23
May 18 2013 14:05 GMT
#57257
On May 18 2013 23:01 valheru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 22:49 SXGCoil wrote:
How would daedulus be on Doom? It gives good damage and a better crit modifier than the alpha wolf. You lose out on the 30% dmg aura but would the centaur stun and the 15% atkspeed aura make up for it?

Spending 5k on an item that gives pure damage is probably not worth it on doom. Yeah Daedalus gives a better crit/more damage but putting the 5k to an AC and eating an alpha wolf would be better because of the auras and the fact that doom has literally the lowest agi gain in the game and has no armour at all but a large HP pool make armour really good on him since armour leverages so much. Maybe a sheepstick, sheep is good on pretty much everyone depends on the game.


Actually, I think he's tied with Tiny at lowest agi gain at .9.

Also, I've been building Vlad's too for the lifesteal. Any good?
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 18 2013 14:09 GMT
#57258
vlads is quite good on doom
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 14:10:32
May 18 2013 14:09 GMT
#57259
You shouldn't really build him as a hard carry outside of AC. He pretty much has nothing that scales with right click damage apart from eating an alpha wolf and that still doesn't change the fact that he's kitable as hell and has no real way other than burning ground to stick to a target. I'd much rather put his insane farming use to getting super fast sheep/necro 3/ac so you can push down their base before the enemy team's carries catch up in farm.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 14:10:22
May 18 2013 14:10 GMT
#57260
Walve should really release item for LD which lets him change his bear's appearance to look like magnus plus RP animation when it entangles. That would be totally fair
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