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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2887 Posts
April 10 2013 16:47 GMT
#51241
Razor is very good when he can chase down heroes and when he doesnt die.
His nuke is extremely good so max it, Link is decent at 1. Unstable current gives bonus movespeed which is nice, I usually skill it above more Link.
Both phase and threads are good but phase is much better for gank razor.
A casual vit booster is a must. There is boss guide where you go poor mans shield into vanguard that actually works but I wouldent recommend it. However a vanguard is not bad if your getting early kills. The roh will let you stay in the field and 250 gold will make diving towers more pleasent.
You need some kind of mana regen, bottle or basi are good but I prefer basi.
Use your early advantage to get a yasha.
After this drums are a perfect item for razor. Finish up your aquila and then your s&y.

This item progression give you less than ideal lategame items but if you just get a decent start you will ve so far ahead it doesnt matter
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 10 2013 17:02 GMT
#51242
The order in which you acquire your items is very... questionable CCK.
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
April 10 2013 17:04 GMT
#51243
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should be good ^_^
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 10 2013 17:17 GMT
#51244
On April 10 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote:
It's actually only possible in DotA 2, because items on CD aren't droppable in DotA 1, and therefore can't be disassembled.

Which sort of makes a strange DotA 2 parity issue if Icefrog decides to do something about it.

That said, I don't think there needs to be anything done about it.

Wait, theoretically, could you have brown boots, buy an energy booster, use the arcane boots, dissasemble, sell the energy booster for full price, and keep the brown boots?

Never tried it.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
April 10 2013 17:19 GMT
#51245
On April 11 2013 02:17 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote:
It's actually only possible in DotA 2, because items on CD aren't droppable in DotA 1, and therefore can't be disassembled.

Which sort of makes a strange DotA 2 parity issue if Icefrog decides to do something about it.

That said, I don't think there needs to be anything done about it.

Wait, theoretically, could you have brown boots, buy an energy booster, use the arcane boots, dissasemble, sell the energy booster for full price, and keep the brown boots?

Never tried it.

Any item that is used in some way immediately loses the 10 second full resell time. You will only get 500 gold back from that resale.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 10 2013 17:28 GMT
#51246
On April 11 2013 02:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:17 Comeh wrote:
On April 10 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote:
It's actually only possible in DotA 2, because items on CD aren't droppable in DotA 1, and therefore can't be disassembled.

Which sort of makes a strange DotA 2 parity issue if Icefrog decides to do something about it.

That said, I don't think there needs to be anything done about it.

Wait, theoretically, could you have brown boots, buy an energy booster, use the arcane boots, dissasemble, sell the energy booster for full price, and keep the brown boots?

Never tried it.

Any item that is used in some way immediately loses the 10 second full resell time. You will only get 500 gold back from that resale.



icefrog too smart for these shenanigans.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 17:30:30
April 10 2013 17:30 GMT
#51247
The only abuse possible is when you have like 50 mana and buy arcane booster in the side shop to get 75+ and use TP, then sell it back at base

Not tested that thou
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 10 2013 17:31 GMT
#51248
You guys like buying RoH from side shop and getting dat regen only to sell it back before timer?
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 10 2013 17:35 GMT
#51249
On April 11 2013 02:31 crms wrote:
You guys like buying RoH from side shop and getting dat regen only to sell it back before timer?

Free 45 HP! Worse than armlet toggling abuse!!!!111oneoneone111

Considering you have to be in the shop for that, i don't think it's worth it. Better bring a salve via courier
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 17:41:27
April 10 2013 17:39 GMT
#51250
On April 11 2013 02:35 Qbek wrote:
Considering you have to be in the shop for that, i don't think it's worth it. Better bring a salve via courier

Basically if you miss more than 2 creeps waiting for the RoH regen, the Salve would have been better.

One possibility is buying a Cloak or Belt of Giant's Strength to survive a DoT or delayed damage spell, and then selling it after the spell is over.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 17:44:56
April 10 2013 17:41 GMT
#51251
I had a support doing that contantly in the lane phase once when I was playing carry. Didn't stack, pull, just harassed in lane and then sat by shop with ring of health/ring of regen depending on his money.


was odd game but i'm pretty sure we won so clearly it's valid strategy.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
April 10 2013 17:45 GMT
#51252
On April 11 2013 02:41 crms wrote:
I had a support doing that contantly in the lane phase once when I was playing carry. Didn't stack, pull, just harassed in lane and then sat by shop with ring of health/ring of regen depending on his money.


was odd game.


Bahahahaha what the hell. Next level sapport stratique.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2887 Posts
April 10 2013 18:53 GMT
#51253
On April 11 2013 02:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
The order in which you acquire your items is very... questionable CCK.


I didnt specify the order
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:54:50
April 10 2013 18:54 GMT
#51254
Use your early advantage to get a yasha.
After this drums are a perfect item for razor. Finish up your aquila and then your s&y.

Looks like an order to me, and a very weird one at that.
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2887 Posts
April 10 2013 19:17 GMT
#51255
On April 11 2013 03:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Use your early advantage to get a yasha.
After this drums are a perfect item for razor. Finish up your aquila and then your s&y.

Looks like an order to me, and a very weird one at that.


Writing on iPhone, its hard enough fighting the swedish autocorrect to think about structure. Also I think ordering items is a bit lacking.
Say you are in a lane and just got boots. If you have someone with very high base damage denying alot phaseboots might be a good option. If they harass you a lot a quick roh can be the best. Although I feel that if you want vanguard you should get it early but after phase but after that its down to taste. If you can chase down everyone but your almost on the edge of dieing a bracer before your yasha is probably better, or vice versa.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 10 2013 19:24 GMT
#51256
I don't think a finished Vanguard is that effective on Razor unless you absolutely need to finish it at this timing and can't afford to wait. Otherwise Vit+Hood has higher overall effectiveness for using your Vit Booster and Ring of Health, and the Hood can be made into Pipe later.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
April 10 2013 19:44 GMT
#51257
What the Church of Yango is basically trying to say is, never get Vanguard ever. Only acceptable use is to create it then drop and destroy in protest of the heathens.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 10 2013 19:54 GMT
#51258
On April 11 2013 04:44 Slardar wrote:
What the Church of Yango is basically trying to say is, never get Vanguard ever. Only acceptable use is to create it then drop and destroy in protest of the heathens.

Yango is actually one of the few defenders of Vanguard - that it has situational uses, and if you have a vit + Stout and you are hitting a key timing of the game and your next item isn't near finishing, its better to have a vanguard and have a closer fight than it is to have empty money and no completed other item.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 10 2013 19:55 GMT
#51259
Unless your goal is to become the vangod, in which case you should buy as many vanguards as you can.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
April 10 2013 20:00 GMT
#51260
Why would u get Yasha and Drums? They don't stack movement speed bonus? Right?
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