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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
and movement speed stack as long as its not from the same item (yasha, sny and manta speed bonus dont stack) | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:00 Wrongspeedy wrote: Why would u get Yasha and Drums? They don't stack movement speed bonus? Right? as far as I know they do | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
yasha's move speed bonus doesn't stack with manta and sage&yasha | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:14 TheKefka wrote: yasha doesn't have a aura it's just a % increase,drums have swiftness aura(doesn't stack),which also grants attack speed yasha's move speed bonus doesn't stack with manta and sage&yasha You can't have a percentage movespeed bonus without using an aura. Item movement bonus only produces flat gains like you see on boots. Now said aura could be some other aura like unholy, (if it was unholy it wouldn't affect illusions) but that would be counterproductive to manta. The drum aura has a different ID so it stacks with the yasha aura. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
IIRC the effect from satanic's active was based off vampiric potion in WC3, so ursa could use it to lifesteal? Or am i remembering wrong? | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:38 Unleashing wrote: Broodmother ulti is a zero range aura too, stuff like that is kind of funny to me. IIRC the effect from satanic's active was based off vampiric potion in WC3, so ursa could use it to lifesteal? Or am i remembering wrong? The satanic active is not an orb yes. The vamp potion actually gives you vamp aura. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Although I get at least a stout everytime on almost all melee heroes. Yeah I'm weird like that. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:44 trinxified wrote: Getting stout, PMS, vanguard on ranged heroes is just a terrible idea IMO. Although I get at least a stout everytime on almost all melee heroes. Yeah I'm weird like that. That's not really that weird. Ranged Vanguard is usually bad but situationally ok. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:51 TheYango wrote: That's not really that weird. Ranged Vanguard is usually bad but situationally ok. Well I meant literally every melee hero. Question regarding Kraken Shell though... I usually get a stout with Tide, but when you get level 3/4 Kraken Shell, it's better to sell it right? Or build to vanguard if farm allowedd? | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:38 Unleashing wrote: Broodmother ulti is a zero range aura too, stuff like that is kind of funny to me. IIRC the effect from satanic's active was based off vampiric potion in WC3, so ursa could use it to lifesteal? Or am i remembering wrong? it aint funny when its purgeable  | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I don't see how you'd start Stout on a support unless you have random gold, are skimping on consumables, or aren't buying Wards/Courier for your team like you're supposed to. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On April 11 2013 07:06 TheYango wrote: You're including melee supports and bottle-crow mids? Do you buy the Stout late, or do you just not ever play the 3 Branch + Tango rush Bottle opening on bottle-crow mids? I don't see how you'd start Stout on a support unless you have random gold, are skimping on consumables, or aren't buying Wards/Courier for your team like you're supposed to. If I have random gold with supports, it's a sure-buy. But yeah melee supports included. Though I will not skimp on buying consumables (only tango, salves, not clarity) or courier/crow/wards. After all of those, stout is always next. As for mid heroes, same thing if with random gold, I will stout always. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If you're not starting with Stout, I wouldn't buy it on melee supports. The main point of Stout is for laning (mitigating harass and totally negating creep hits) and most supports aren't trading hits under creep aggro the way melee laners do. The relative value of Stout compared to armor is high against low damage values and gets lower as damage gets higher. It's the best level 1 survivability item for melees and negates creep damage significantly, but by the time you can afford it as a support, enemies are usually high enough level for it not to outperform armor that much on hero damage. Plus most melee supports want Boots pretty badly. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On April 11 2013 07:03 trinxified wrote: I usually get a stout with Tide, but when you get level 3/4 Kraken Shell, it's better to sell it right? Or build to vanguard if farm allowedd? At level 3, Kraken Shell will always block more than your stout so you can sell it. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On April 11 2013 07:11 trinxified wrote: If I have random gold with supports, it's a sure-buy. But yeah melee supports included. Though I will not skimp on buying consumables (only tango, salves, not clarity) or courier/crow/wards. After all of those, stout is always next. As for mid heroes, same thing if with random gold, I will stout always. Stout over clarities on supports like ES, ogre, nyx, SK? I disagree. | ||
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