EPTAm has still been trending way down. according to: http://dota-academy.com/hero/19/
I meant more to talk about new heroes being chosen, and that it isn't just buffs or nerfs, but trends do just change regardless.
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BeanerBurrito
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Am has still been trending way down. according to: http://dota-academy.com/hero/19/ I meant more to talk about new heroes being chosen, and that it isn't just buffs or nerfs, but trends do just change regardless. | ||
TheYango
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Denmark14978 Posts
That's a pretty good situational pick to me. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:10 TheYango wrote: Every dota-academy graph shows "trending down" at the beginning of the month due to lack of data for the month. His pick rate is more or less in line with his pick rate around TI2. http://metagamejournal.com/feb-2013-draft-trends/ According to that, even after ti2 and after his nerf he was picked less often, then more often, then less often, then more often. I don't like the idea of quickly nerfing heroes that become the hate target of the month ala pl, because of how trends take time to change more than anything. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's very likely that if Icefrog nerfs KotL (which is somewhat likely given KotL's extremely high pick/ban rate, and probably more justified), PL will sort himself out. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:12 SKC wrote: He is obviously down when compared to when he had 100% metagame relevance, but it was a completelly diferent game back then. You can't blame that just on trends changing. And back then dota2 was lacking a lot of heroes. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:15 TheYango wrote: If you've read what I said, I agree that PL doesn't need to be nerfed. But you're formulating really poor arguments using factually incorrect statements. It's very likely that if Icefrog nerfs KotL (which is somewhat likely given KotL's extremely high pick/ban rate, and probably more justified), PL will sort himself out. Fair, I went off gut feeling without checking as much, but nyx was still a good example of a hero not being picked even after he was just buffed, but taking time for people to "figure it out" so to speak. http://metagamejournal.com/feb-2013-draft-trends/ Look how long after 6.75 it took before nyx began to see more action in general. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:24 TheYango wrote: He started seeing action pretty quickly in SEA/China, it's just that the DatDota's dataset is heavily skewed in terms of # of Western games vs. # of Eastern games so his high usage doesn't show until Western teams pick it up. Which is what I'm talking about. The fact SEA or china started picking it much faster than western teams even when western teams had the exact same availability shows that a hero being good doesn't mean that it will instantly be popular. It takes time. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:24 duoform wrote: Fuck this DotA2/steam issues. I'm playing good old WC3 DotA until Valve comes back from his "well deserved" vacations.. ? I'm not having any. HF in dota 1 though. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
"Timed out". Pretty much servers are sucking ass here.. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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ch33psh33p
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On April 07 2013 07:34 duoform wrote: "Timed out". Pretty much servers are sucking ass here.. Game spontaneously crashing, servers dcing all the time, abandons galore. A terrible week for Dota. | ||
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wairai
Malaysia1000 Posts
already reported to steam support oTL | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:06 BeanerBurrito wrote: I'll take that back "No one" was a vast overstatement, but you are correct, I haven't seen asian teams play in quite awhile. And I'll even preface, not only asian teams have chosen am recently, but in general everyone hasn't as much. Am has still been trending way down. according to: http://dota-academy.com/hero/19/ I meant more to talk about new heroes being chosen, and that it isn't just buffs or nerfs, but trends do just change regardless. It depends what team is playing. DK is happy to pick AM, even with second pick, whereas other teams prioritize naix/druid or even gyro. I think chains is supposed to be a big AM picker? | ||
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asaed
United States1412 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:41 Itsmedudeman wrote: Phantom lancer has never had a month above 52% winrate and he's been going downhill recently. You can whine all you want about your pub games, but he is far and away from being the best carry. That would go to lone druid. Lifestealer? And also, winrates really don't mean anything. Okay, that's not accurate. It means something, but not a great defining factor. That's part of the beauty of Dota: carry heroes in isolation can only be, to some small degree, compared to each other. The truth is, it's a LOT about synergy, game plan, and team line-ups. For example, PL currently is played mostly as a split push hero + turtle to 60min and then win. But other carries like Lone Druid, Jugg, and even Naga can be played as a big mid-game, 30min gg win line-ups. It really depends. Win rate is hard to use as a really great indicator of strength of a carry simply because it highly depends on the game-plan that is being employed. For example, there's an amazing stat about Jugg and how he is almost unbeaten when games end within 25min, but almost can't win a single game in games lasting more than 25 min. Stats like that help figure out what is behind the win-rates. | ||
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w.s
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