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^I think that was me, not sure, because i always max deso first. Deso indeed hurt really hard and it helps you slightly to lane and especially great for ulti to finish off the running away hero alone.
It depends on how do you wanna play your spec and do you have some cc support for you. But generally always max dagger+deso because dispe is more useful in mid/late game or until you have ~1.2k+ hp. I miss the pre-nerf dispe that allows you to dive tower in early and kill with dispe :D love to rambo pubbies where they thought the tower is a safe zone, dispe was so damn broken.
my steam guide btw for anyone doesnt like the default items like me: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129238476
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On April 06 2013 07:52 BurningSera wrote:
^I think that was me, not sure, because i always max deso first. Deso indeed hurt really hard and it helps you slightly to farm and especially great for ulti to finish off the running away hero alone.
How does it help you to farm? Desolate only triggers on heroes. If anything, Dagger helps more to farm (even though it's shitty for that, you can Dagger 2 camps and use the extra damage to clear both).
EDIT: Also Sera, I'm disappointed that you don't have Urn on that guide. Phase+Urn >>> Tranquils after the Tranquil nerf, and while the bug that Illusions get generated with disabled Tranquils is still in the game (Ulti illusions won't catch anyone when they spawn with disabled Tranquils).
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Random food for thought:
The true winner in Dota is the shopkeeper.
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I also can't think of many times where Yango hasn't said "phase + urn" or "tranquils + urn" ... into janggo, of course.
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On April 06 2013 08:24 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 07:52 BurningSera wrote:
^I think that was me, not sure, because i always max deso first. Deso indeed hurt really hard and it helps you slightly to farm and especially great for ulti to finish off the running away hero alone. How does it help you to farm? Desolate only triggers on heroes. If anything, Dagger helps more to farm (even though it's shitty for that, you can Dagger 2 camps and use the extra damage to clear both). EDIT: Also Sera, I'm disappointed that you don't have Urn on that guide. Phase+Urn >>> Tranquils after the Tranquil nerf, and while the bug that Illusions get generated with disabled Tranquils is still in the game (Ulti illusions won't catch anyone when they spawn with disabled Tranquils).
yo i mean laning, just go cut the hero if he was alone ie help me 'farming'. And I think spec should still focusing on farming, only ulti/tp to fight so urn is abit overkill on him, just grab a aquila for mana if really needed.
and i dont find any difference of pre/post nerf trans boots -_,- and jesus what kind of bug is that, i recall now my illus standing there not chasing......
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The main draw of Urn is that it's the highest-efficiency regen item for combat (as you're paying way less for the healing component than it's actually worth, and getting a nice bunch of Strength out of it too). Much higher overall effectiveness than RoH (unless you get no kills for an extremely long period of time--and Spec should be getting at least 1 kill every time ulti is up), and probably Tranquil now too.
Even if you're only assisting ganks with ulti, you're essentially trading a TP for 2 salves worth of regen.
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On April 06 2013 08:32 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:24 TheYango wrote:On April 06 2013 07:52 BurningSera wrote:
^I think that was me, not sure, because i always max deso first. Deso indeed hurt really hard and it helps you slightly to farm and especially great for ulti to finish off the running away hero alone. How does it help you to farm? Desolate only triggers on heroes. If anything, Dagger helps more to farm (even though it's shitty for that, you can Dagger 2 camps and use the extra damage to clear both). EDIT: Also Sera, I'm disappointed that you don't have Urn on that guide. Phase+Urn >>> Tranquils after the Tranquil nerf, and while the bug that Illusions get generated with disabled Tranquils is still in the game (Ulti illusions won't catch anyone when they spawn with disabled Tranquils). yo i mean laning, just go cut the hero if he was alone ie help me 'farming'. And I think spec should still focusing on farming, only ulti/tp to fight so urn is abit overkill on him, just grab a aquila for mana if really needed. and i dont find any difference of pre/post nerf trans boots -_,- and jesus what kind of bug is that, i recall now my illus standing there not chasing......
I thought the bug was that the illusions would have the broken tranquils movespeed, so they wouldn't catch anyone because they are too slow. I never heard about them not moving at all.
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Huehuehue, finally doto profile teams.
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ok you win, i just squeezed in urn in it. at least click Favourite if you are not going to subscribe lol
and ill report back whenever i buy an urn on my spec.
On April 06 2013 08:37 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:32 BurningSera wrote:On April 06 2013 08:24 TheYango wrote:On April 06 2013 07:52 BurningSera wrote:
^I think that was me, not sure, because i always max deso first. Deso indeed hurt really hard and it helps you slightly to farm and especially great for ulti to finish off the running away hero alone. How does it help you to farm? Desolate only triggers on heroes. If anything, Dagger helps more to farm (even though it's shitty for that, you can Dagger 2 camps and use the extra damage to clear both). EDIT: Also Sera, I'm disappointed that you don't have Urn on that guide. Phase+Urn >>> Tranquils after the Tranquil nerf, and while the bug that Illusions get generated with disabled Tranquils is still in the game (Ulti illusions won't catch anyone when they spawn with disabled Tranquils). yo i mean laning, just go cut the hero if he was alone ie help me 'farming'. And I think spec should still focusing on farming, only ulti/tp to fight so urn is abit overkill on him, just grab a aquila for mana if really needed. and i dont find any difference of pre/post nerf trans boots -_,- and jesus what kind of bug is that, i recall now my illus standing there not chasing...... I thought the bug was that the illusions would have the broken tranquils movespeed, so they wouldn't catch anyone because they are too slow. I never heard about them not moving at all.
Oh i see. Not sure, i did see some illus standing there or they simply just failed to chase up.
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urn wins pubs
most pub supports are never going to have a super quick mek and no theoretical 3rd position hero is ever going to buy one. urn gives you the sustain needed to push down multiple towers quickly, invaluable vs multiple carry teams that you so often come across in ap
sustain = win game
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Quoting greatest bear fighter: "You dont need sustain if the enemies are dead."
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I unno. Played a game as spec and maxed Desolate, it let me punish overaggression in lane really hard and pick up a kill across the map with ult alone
Then again, i was also playing full carry spec, rad and everything, so /shrug
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On April 06 2013 09:27 NB wrote:
Quoting greatest bear fighter: "You dont need sustain if the enemies are dead."
The second half the quote "Dagon."
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On April 06 2013 09:50 Shaella wrote:
I unno. Played a game as spec and maxed Desolate, it let me punish overaggression in lane really hard and pick up a kill across the map with ult alone
Then again, i was also playing full carry spec, rad and everything, so /shrug
If you managed to farm radiance (assuming at a decent time) then I assume laning phase went extremely well and it wouldn't have mattered what you maxed regardless.
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On April 06 2013 10:43 RuskiPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 09:50 Shaella wrote:
I unno. Played a game as spec and maxed Desolate, it let me punish overaggression in lane really hard and pick up a kill across the map with ult alone
Then again, i was also playing full carry spec, rad and everything, so /shrug If you managed to farm radiance (assuming at a decent time) then I assume laning phase went extremely well and it wouldn't have mattered what you maxed regardless.
had it by 19 mins, so yeah, laning went pretty well
not the fastest Rad ever, the hardest part of spec's laning phase is how bad her base is tho.
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dam i missed all the juicy throbbing drama in starladder finals thread
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On April 06 2013 08:24 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 07:52 BurningSera wrote:
^I think that was me, not sure, because i always max deso first. Deso indeed hurt really hard and it helps you slightly to farm and especially great for ulti to finish off the running away hero alone. How does it help you to farm? Desolate only triggers on heroes. If anything, Dagger helps more to farm (even though it's shitty for that, you can Dagger 2 camps and use the extra damage to clear both). EDIT: Also Sera, I'm disappointed that you don't have Urn on that guide. Phase+Urn >>> Tranquils after the Tranquil nerf, and while the bug that Illusions get generated with disabled Tranquils is still in the game (Ulti illusions won't catch anyone when they spawn with disabled Tranquils).
That's a lot of gold for a carry with low farming ability, and an ult that's not exactly low cooldown.
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On April 06 2013 11:14 FinestHour wrote:
dam i missed all the juicy throbbing drama in starladder finals thread
Yeah, I somewhat feel like that was my fault
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Does desolate buff the damage done by ult illusions or even manta illusions? I never thought it was, but that would make it better, I always ended up maxing dispersion over desolate to stay in lane better and survive ganks.
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