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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 05 2013 18:04 GMT
#50701
On April 06 2013 02:58 TheYango wrote:
Yes, thats right.

EDIT: The other thing to keep in mind with Dagger is that while 200 damage is low, you're only looking at the usefulness of the *final rank*. 50 damage + increased slow % per rank is actually pretty normal when it comes to AoE nukes. It's just that the rank 1 damage of Dagger is much lower than many other AoE nukes (rank 1 Dagger is only 50 damage, many other AoE nukes start with 90-150 rank 1 damage).

I'm bored, and reading things about leaving Haunt on Level 1 or level 2, but to me it seems like an extra 1 / 2 points in stats really isn't worth skipping extra 1 - 3 attacks on your haunt to every hero on the board.

Am I right about this?
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 18:07:13
April 05 2013 18:06 GMT
#50702
Dispersion also doesn't scale that well with ranks while her other spells scale a bit better. One rank in dispersion seems reasonable while maxing other two. Only if you really being pressured should you think if putting more points in dispersion. You'll naturally have the points there when you get more hp items later in the game.

On April 06 2013 03:04 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 02:58 TheYango wrote:
Yes, thats right.

EDIT: The other thing to keep in mind with Dagger is that while 200 damage is low, you're only looking at the usefulness of the *final rank*. 50 damage + increased slow % per rank is actually pretty normal when it comes to AoE nukes. It's just that the rank 1 damage of Dagger is much lower than many other AoE nukes (rank 1 Dagger is only 50 damage, many other AoE nukes start with 90-150 rank 1 damage).

I'm bored, and reading things about leaving Haunt on Level 1 or level 2, but to me it seems like an extra 1 / 2 points in stats really isn't worth skipping extra 1 - 3 attacks on your haunt to every hero on the board.

Am I right about this?


They do full desolate damage so I think so but then again how realistic is it that they get the desolate damage in that last second of haunt.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 18:32:04
April 05 2013 18:12 GMT
#50703
The real benefit of the longer Haunt duration is having more time to choose an appropriate spot to enter the fight.

Having 5 seconds to choose and 7 seconds to choose can affect your positioning a lot.

Someone who thinks those 2 ranks aren't worth it are probably jumping into the fight haphazardly and not making use of the full 5/6/7 seconds to choose their point of entry.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 05 2013 18:31 GMT
#50704
I think you can delay the 2nd point in haunt in favor of getting other skills maxed up, but there's no reason you shouldn't have haunt completely maxed at 16
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Noak
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden84 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 18:45:00
April 05 2013 18:44 GMT
#50705
What's the deal here, just spent 30min to get into a game because it took forever to "find a server". Have they delivered to many keys or is this my problem somehow?

edit: should probably say i queue EU.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 05 2013 18:46 GMT
#50706
On April 06 2013 03:44 Noak wrote:
What's the deal here, just spent 30min to get into a game because it took forever to "find a server". Have they delivered to many keys or is this my problem somehow?

edit: should probably say i queue EU.

Gabe's water-ski is powered on the valve servers.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 05 2013 18:50 GMT
#50707
http://www.twitch.tv/dubzex IRC STACK FIGHTING
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Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
April 05 2013 19:25 GMT
#50708
Korok needs to stream more. Funniest stream ever
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
BeanerBurrito
Profile Joined December 2010
1010 Posts
April 05 2013 20:54 GMT
#50709
On April 06 2013 04:25 Skullflower wrote:
Korok needs to stream more. Funniest stream ever


He needs more viewers, he actually plays well when he streams, good person to learn some builds and tactics from for those who want an educational stream.
What they say: "I'm gonna play support!" What they mean: "I'm gonna feed all game!"
HandA711
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
202 Posts
April 05 2013 21:01 GMT
#50710
no patch? and not a single word from Valve (?). There are ppl whose entire life purpose is waiting for Dota 2 patches...
hakuna matata
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 05 2013 21:02 GMT
#50711
On April 06 2013 06:01 HandA711 wrote:
no patch? and not a single word from Valve (?). There are ppl whose entire life purpose is waiting for Dota 2 patches...

Try playing the game we have

(no patch this week, or likely next week either).
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 05 2013 21:04 GMT
#50712
On April 06 2013 06:01 HandA711 wrote:
no patch? and not a single word from Valve (?). There are ppl whose entire life purpose is waiting for Dota 2 patches...


me and erasme life purpose is to see evil geniuses win ti3 with jimmy ho leading the way
we cant have everything we want
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sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
April 05 2013 21:15 GMT
#50713
Wow... Just went dagon blink eblade orchid on nature's prophet. Too much fun.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
April 05 2013 21:46 GMT
#50714
dagon orchid on anyone is too much fun. Highly recommend it on Clinkz. Its like dagon SA, but more hilarious.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 00:57:54
April 05 2013 21:53 GMT
#50715
On the spec stuff, I've lost track of the number of times I've saved myself by daggering into the trees. Rank 1 dagger is essential. It's infinitely better than dispersion on the defensive and lets you be aggressive.

Desolate's attractive, but as someone said, even at lv4 you need to basically get in an extra hit for each level of dagger that you're missing. Coincidentally, landing successive hits becomes much harder with each level of dagger that you're missing as well.

Dispersion's first rank scales a lot better than the others, so it's nice to take a point in it early if there's a lot of harass.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 22:10:47
April 05 2013 22:09 GMT
#50716
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=406462

come to my blog, point around and laugh >.>

On April 06 2013 06:04 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:01 HandA711 wrote:
no patch? and not a single word from Valve (?). There are ppl whose entire life purpose is waiting for Dota 2 patches...


me and erasme life purpose is to see evil geniuses win ti3 with jimmy ho leading the way
we cant have everything we want


Hmm, i dont think they gona kick EGM to have Demon.... if you know what i mean
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
April 05 2013 22:18 GMT
#50717
On April 06 2013 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
Wow... Just went dagon blink eblade orchid on nature's prophet. Too much fun.

dagon eblade refresher is the way
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
April 05 2013 22:21 GMT
#50718
On April 06 2013 06:01 HandA711 wrote:
no patch? and not a single word from Valve (?). There are ppl whose entire life purpose is waiting for Dota 2 patches...


Valve is on vacation
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
April 05 2013 22:31 GMT
#50719
About Spec:

Dagger-Disp/Deso-Dagger-Deso/Disp-Dagger-Ult-Max Deso-Max disp-Max ult

I usually delay lvl 2 ulti until lvl 14, as maxing dispersion is usually more worth it. It depends but i usually prefer to max dispersion first, as it scale deceptively (dispersion actually increase your HP by 11%/16%/22%/28%) and not as badly as it may looks.

Also if you can get it before 30 min, i'd get radi on her every time. Max haunt + Radi + Deso is a shit load of damage and win teamfights by itself. Even if you aren't the best at 1vs1 situations and whatsnot, your ulti it's still like a zeus ulti on steroid that prevent blinks for 10 seconds and give you perfect map vision for 7 seconds.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 05 2013 22:35 GMT
#50720
I used to max dagger first but I tried max desolate 1st with phase boots, orb of venom, drum. Skilling dagger, dispersion/desolate, dagger, dispersion/desolate, & then maxing desolate because someone suggested it on a random post on TL. It completely changed my vision of spectre, she really starts hurting way earlier. It takes into account the fact that you're far from having guarantted farm in pubs.
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