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akatama
Romania982 Posts
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
Golem is an amazing spell though, I always seem to get 4-5 people in it. I also think maybe people just don't realize how good F.Bonds can be | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
I dont like warlock as a whole though. The cd on his ult is just too long. pretty sure you can get something like 200 damage of hp removal which is fantastic for a level one spell. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
 ), and has decent str growth. His heal is pretty powerful with 135/225/315/405 heal, and a good harassment tool especially combined with 600 range and fair damage for a ranged support. But with tranquil boots, harassment just isn't as good. Why harass when they can heal up in 5 seconds and come back and use instant nukes+stuns to kill you and then push the tower. He isn't that good in a tri vs tri situation, can't stop ganks, etc. A victim of the meta game.A couple of things that I think could help him: Giving a speedboost/slow to the heal/DoT. Helps someone being ganked get away, or helps secure kills in lane. Making upheaval instant cast. Allows you to throw it at a gank then run. Alternatively, (I don't know if this would work in wc3), the slow could be increased only when you are channeling, so you can choose whether you need to cast and run (ie saving people from a gank), or if slowing the opponents is more important than anything else you can do (in a teamfight after you cast your other spells, or if an instant cast upheaval won't save people from a gank). | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
Other than that I don't think he has too much potential as is | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On February 05 2013 12:57 RockIronrod wrote: I think he's a competitively viable as a shut down to Enigmas BKB blackhole if Vengeful Spirit and Beast Master aren't in the pool and you want early game push over passive farming, where you'd rather have Lich. Other than that I don't think he has too much potential as is I almost want to sig this lol. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
To bring my belated opinion on that matter, KotL/PL lane is simply trending right now, like Dazzle/Huskar lane was in the past, too. People that don't really know how to play either hero try the combo and get results anyway. I've seen that more than the lane played to its best. Kinda disheartening to see someone absolutely fail at playing Phantom Lancer. Maybe I just suck with all heroes that aren't PL. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 05 2013 13:37 Mataza wrote: Did people already settle whether KotL/PL lane is manageable to win against or not? There was some talk a la "you, me, high noon at the saloon doors, bring a laner partner", but I didn't notice any sort of conclusion posted here. To bring my belated opinion on that matter, KotL/PL lane is simply trending right now, like Dazzle/Huskar lane was in the past, too. People that don't really know how to play either hero try the combo and get results anyway. I've seen that more than the lane played to its best. Kinda disheartening to see someone absolutely fail at playing Phantom Lancer. Maybe I just suck with all heroes that aren't PL. The lane still only has mediocre kill potential vs. a solo hard laner. This can be remedied by forming a trilane with a support that adds to the lane's kill potential (e.g. NA), but in pubs, trilanes aren't a guarantee. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 05 2013 13:37 Mataza wrote: Did people already settle whether KotL/PL lane is manageable to win against or not? There was some talk a la "you, me, high noon at the saloon doors, bring a laner partner", but I didn't notice any sort of conclusion posted here. To bring my belated opinion on that matter, KotL/PL lane is simply trending right now, like Dazzle/Huskar lane was in the past, too. People that don't really know how to play either hero try the combo and get results anyway. I've seen that more than the lane played to its best. Kinda disheartening to see someone absolutely fail at playing Phantom Lancer. Maybe I just suck with all heroes that aren't PL. OD Bane should do a decent job of it. enfeeble keeps PL from farming while you are avoiding illuminates and constant astrals keep PLs mana too low to escape regardless of kotl, orbs insta kill illusions and both bane and OD can win the matchups 1v1 if the situation comes to it (where bane goes after kotl charging out of the lane and OD goes to kill PL) But thats just judging b the abilities of the heroes. you still have to play well. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Pretty sure there is no way to just "kill Kotl" unless you massively towerdive or the kotl is bad. I know that approach does work in pubs, because most players are bad with kotl. That's what I wanted to say originally: Most players I see pick that lane though they suck at both heroes. And it kills me a little inside, because apparently not everyone is as good at PL as I am. Which I find hard to believe, because I don't really enjoy PL's playstyle. Though I have to admit, the lane really has lacking kill potential. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On February 05 2013 14:18 Mataza wrote: I am really bad with words apparently. I don't need help against it and I find some of the advice really questionable. Pretty sure there is no way to just "kill Kotl" unless you massively towerdive or the kotl is bad. I know that approach does work in pubs, because most players are bad with kotl. That's what I wanted to say originally: Most players I see pick that lane though they suck at both heroes. And it kills me a little inside, because apparently not everyone is as good at PL as I am. Which I find hard to believe, because I don't really enjoy PL's playstyle. Though I have to admit, the lane really has lacking kill potential. I dont know. I find a PL/KOTL lane isn't so much about the killing potential rather than the pushing people out of lane potential. There's nothing you can do against that much lane harass. Even if KOTL fails to land his illuminate, the PL 6sec lances will still force you out of lane in less than a minute(assuming 60sec= max 10lances, give it half, 5 lances....you will still be forced to run away) | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
increase casting range of word or upheaval slightly decrease his ultimate cooldown to something more reasonable (less than Ravage) | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On February 05 2013 14:46 Mithhaike wrote: I dont know. I find a PL/KOTL lane isn't so much about the killing potential rather than the pushing people out of lane potential. There's nothing you can do against that much lane harass. Even if KOTL fails to land his illuminate, the PL 6sec lances will still force you out of lane in less than a minute(assuming 60sec= max 10lances, give it half, 5 lances....you will still be forced to run away) Which is what Yango is saying, in a pub it could be a little hard but seeing as it doesn't really have much kill potential: Most offlaners will have a great time in terms of experience You can trilane your safe lane, crushing the enemy and most likely keeping them very much underleveld, KOTL PL can't really do that. Your offlane will have a much larger amount of levels and even CS then their opponent. | ||
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Yurie
12160 Posts
On February 05 2013 15:18 Kipsate wrote: Which is what Yango is saying, in a pub it could be a little hard but seeing as it doesn't really have much kill potential: Most offlaners will have a great time in terms of experience You can trilane your safe lane, crushing the enemy and most likely keeping them very much underleveld, KOTL PL can't really do that. Your offlane will have a much larger amount of levels and even CS then their opponent. Kotl +PL has the advantage of "winning" against all offlaners though. Which means you can dual mid, dual off lane or jungle to make up for it. | ||
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