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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
February 01 2013 12:14 GMT
#41161
On February 01 2013 21:11 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:10 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:43 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:39 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
The new system relates your performance with one hero to your performance with other heroes. The old system compared your performance with one hero to other people's performance with the same hero. This becomes really obvious on some heroes, like Dark Seer who has been top tier material for ages.


If there is no objective comparison, does that not mean at least one hero will be 10? Since for there to be a comparison, there needs to be a "top" to know where the others should be. I do not know though, just seems weird to me.

Everyone I knows has ten bars on at least one hero and it seems reasonable that it would be that way.

Looks to me like it's based on winrate. All heroes with >=75% have 10 bars for me.

Edit: Yeah, definitely only winrate, doesn't matter what hero, same winrate same bars.

Definitely not winrate. My sniper is 2 wins 3 losses and is 10 bars.

Definitely winrate for me o_O. 24-24 Windrunner = 2-2 CK = 3-3 Clinkz etc...


Yeah I don't think it is based solely on winrate alone. Emphasis is on "solely" based on.

With that said, my 12-12, 2-2, 3-3, 6-6. and 2-2 are all just after 6, exactly the same. So I do not know, this is confusing me lol,

The same for me, hence my theory.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13085 Posts
February 01 2013 12:16 GMT
#41162
Whats up with this huge update ? Some big changes and no heroes?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
February 01 2013 12:16 GMT
#41163
On February 01 2013 21:00 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 20:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:43 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:39 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
The new system relates your performance with one hero to your performance with other heroes. The old system compared your performance with one hero to other people's performance with the same hero. This becomes really obvious on some heroes, like Dark Seer who has been top tier material for ages.


If there is no objective comparison, does that not mean at least one hero will be 10? Since for there to be a comparison, there needs to be a "top" to know where the others should be. I do not know though, just seems weird to me.

Everyone I knows has ten bars on at least one hero and it seems reasonable that it would be that way.


On one of my accounts, I played only Meepo and he is 5. Granted, it is only a single hero there so maybe if there is more than one, than it will become 10. But I do not know, it requires a bit of testing.


Well if you have only played meepo, it will obviously be your best but also the worst hero, so they take the middle.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 12:19:52
February 01 2013 12:17 GMT
#41164
On February 01 2013 21:14 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:11 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:10 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:43 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:39 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
The new system relates your performance with one hero to your performance with other heroes. The old system compared your performance with one hero to other people's performance with the same hero. This becomes really obvious on some heroes, like Dark Seer who has been top tier material for ages.


If there is no objective comparison, does that not mean at least one hero will be 10? Since for there to be a comparison, there needs to be a "top" to know where the others should be. I do not know though, just seems weird to me.

Everyone I knows has ten bars on at least one hero and it seems reasonable that it would be that way.

Looks to me like it's based on winrate. All heroes with >=75% have 10 bars for me.

Edit: Yeah, definitely only winrate, doesn't matter what hero, same winrate same bars.

Definitely not winrate. My sniper is 2 wins 3 losses and is 10 bars.

Definitely winrate for me o_O. 24-24 Windrunner = 2-2 CK = 3-3 Clinkz etc...


Yeah I don't think it is based solely on winrate alone. Emphasis is on "solely" based on.

With that said, my 12-12, 2-2, 3-3, 6-6. and 2-2 are all just after 6, exactly the same. So I do not know, this is confusing me lol,

The same for me, hence my theory.


But than that one guys sniper is 2-3 and 10 bars (unless he is lying which I see no reason to accuse him of). I guess have to see how many more have the same or varying stats. If it was win rate only, that would be in all honesty, extremely boring. It would essentially ruin and make the par being 1-10 borderline useless.

Well if you have only played meepo, it will obviously be your best but also the worst hero, so they take the middle.


Looked at it (I was guessing, well estimating it since did not memorize the number. The meepo be 4-4 and just over 6. Sooo... yeah, not sure what to say lol.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 12:18:38
February 01 2013 12:17 GMT
#41165
On February 01 2013 21:16 SkelA wrote:
Whats up with this huge update ? Some big changes and no heroes?

Big optimization on load times. Also hats. ^^
On February 01 2013 21:17 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:14 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:11 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:10 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:43 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:39 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
The new system relates your performance with one hero to your performance with other heroes. The old system compared your performance with one hero to other people's performance with the same hero. This becomes really obvious on some heroes, like Dark Seer who has been top tier material for ages.


If there is no objective comparison, does that not mean at least one hero will be 10? Since for there to be a comparison, there needs to be a "top" to know where the others should be. I do not know though, just seems weird to me.

Everyone I knows has ten bars on at least one hero and it seems reasonable that it would be that way.

Looks to me like it's based on winrate. All heroes with >=75% have 10 bars for me.

Edit: Yeah, definitely only winrate, doesn't matter what hero, same winrate same bars.

Definitely not winrate. My sniper is 2 wins 3 losses and is 10 bars.

Definitely winrate for me o_O. 24-24 Windrunner = 2-2 CK = 3-3 Clinkz etc...


Yeah I don't think it is based solely on winrate alone. Emphasis is on "solely" based on.

With that said, my 12-12, 2-2, 3-3, 6-6. and 2-2 are all just after 6, exactly the same. So I do not know, this is confusing me lol,

The same for me, hence my theory.


But than that one guys sniper is 2-3 and 10 bars (unless he is lying which I see no reason to accuse him of). I guess have to see how many more have the same or varying stats. If it was win rate only, that would be in all honesty, extremely boring. It would essentially ruin and make the par being 1-10 borderline useless.

I don't understand that either. Maybe it's bugged right now, and should take winrate+something else, but doesn't.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
February 01 2013 12:21 GMT
#41166
On February 01 2013 21:17 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:16 SkelA wrote:
Whats up with this huge update ? Some big changes and no heroes?

Big optimization on load times. Also hats. ^^
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:17 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:14 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:11 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:10 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
On February 01 2013 21:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:43 Nilrem wrote:
On February 01 2013 20:39 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
The new system relates your performance with one hero to your performance with other heroes. The old system compared your performance with one hero to other people's performance with the same hero. This becomes really obvious on some heroes, like Dark Seer who has been top tier material for ages.


If there is no objective comparison, does that not mean at least one hero will be 10? Since for there to be a comparison, there needs to be a "top" to know where the others should be. I do not know though, just seems weird to me.

Everyone I knows has ten bars on at least one hero and it seems reasonable that it would be that way.

Looks to me like it's based on winrate. All heroes with >=75% have 10 bars for me.

Edit: Yeah, definitely only winrate, doesn't matter what hero, same winrate same bars.

Definitely not winrate. My sniper is 2 wins 3 losses and is 10 bars.

Definitely winrate for me o_O. 24-24 Windrunner = 2-2 CK = 3-3 Clinkz etc...


Yeah I don't think it is based solely on winrate alone. Emphasis is on "solely" based on.

With that said, my 12-12, 2-2, 3-3, 6-6. and 2-2 are all just after 6, exactly the same. So I do not know, this is confusing me lol,

The same for me, hence my theory.


But than that one guys sniper is 2-3 and 10 bars (unless he is lying which I see no reason to accuse him of). I guess have to see how many more have the same or varying stats. If it was win rate only, that would be in all honesty, extremely boring. It would essentially ruin and make the par being 1-10 borderline useless.

I don't understand that either. Maybe it's bugged right now, and should take winrate+something else, but doesn't.


Yeah, something just seems off. Which is funny because for Diabloprogress (Diablo ranking for like unbuffed damage and such), their stat system broke as well. So now, even when people have like 50k unbuffed dps normally, it was changed to 15m. So now top dps'ers have like 344 million unbuffed dps when use to be like 400k.

All stats for every game is breaking!
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
February 01 2013 12:26 GMT
#41167
And the list is still sorted like before the update. I bet that's a bug as well.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 01 2013 12:28 GMT
#41168
On February 01 2013 21:26 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
And the list is still sorted like before the update. I bet that's a bug as well.

Yeah, apart from heroes that have 4 wins as those were unranked before
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 12:44:30
February 01 2013 12:33 GMT
#41169
That bug where you can't hear any skill related sounds is super annoying. I have no clue wtf is even happening in half the teamfights. T_T

Blizzard fix plz.

Edit: Phew, verifying the game cache worked for me, in case anyone else has that issue.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
February 01 2013 12:46 GMT
#41170
Apparently the heroes are just ordered by the win lose ratio for that hero
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 01 2013 12:48 GMT
#41171
On February 01 2013 21:46 Yoshi- wrote:
Apparently the heroes are just ordered by the win lose ratio for that hero

Don't think it is. I have 4-0 heroes ranked the same as 4-1, for example.
super gg
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
February 01 2013 12:52 GMT
#41172
On February 01 2013 21:33 r.Evo wrote:
That bug where you can't hear any skill related sounds is super annoying. I have no clue wtf is even happening in half the teamfights. T_T

Blizzard fix plz.

Edit: Phew, verifying the game cache worked for me, in case anyone else has that issue.

Yeah there was a bug with the sound files in the update, so some people had to verify cache to download them
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
The Irate Turk
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
285 Posts
February 01 2013 13:32 GMT
#41173
On February 01 2013 21:33 r.Evo wrote:
That bug where you can't hear any skill related sounds is super annoying. I have no clue wtf is even happening in half the teamfights. T_T

Blizzard fix plz.

Edit: Phew, verifying the game cache worked for me, in case anyone else has that issue.

Global Silence OP
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
February 01 2013 13:45 GMT
#41174
On February 01 2013 21:48 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:46 Yoshi- wrote:
Apparently the heroes are just ordered by the win lose ratio for that hero

Don't think it is. I have 4-0 heroes ranked the same as 4-1, for example.


all my heroes with 0 and 1 loses are capped. heroes with like 2/3 are at 5 5/2 at 9. its pretty much winratio based.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
February 01 2013 13:49 GMT
#41175
On February 01 2013 22:32 The Irate Turk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 21:33 r.Evo wrote:
That bug where you can't hear any skill related sounds is super annoying. I have no clue wtf is even happening in half the teamfights. T_T

Blizzard fix plz.

Edit: Phew, verifying the game cache worked for me, in case anyone else has that issue.

Global Silence OP

Yo when global silence idc what's happening... I just run :D
Dota 3hard5me
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
February 01 2013 14:55 GMT
#41176
Remembers me back when Silencer ult mute all ingame sounds was added, which kept confusing me and some friends of mine every time it was used. So all of us went "Hello?! You guys still here?" each time it went off, for the first few times we played against it. I am not proud of it, but it took us a while to figure out what was happening.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 01 2013 15:11 GMT
#41177
I have 5 bars on lycan now even though I havnt played him since the huge nerf.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
February 01 2013 15:14 GMT
#41178
Is the performance bar bugged? Mine is weird.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
February 01 2013 15:22 GMT
#41179
On February 02 2013 00:14 Fwizzz wrote:
Is the performance bar bugged? Mine is weird.

Weird as in...? Something like the recent posts or different?
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 01 2013 15:27 GMT
#41180
Meh. I (as others) hate the new performance bars (rather than the LOL HAVE RANDOM BARS HERE YOU GO). For me, it is 100000% related to winrate and to nothing else, so its pretty boring. I already know what heroes I win with - I want to know what hero you think I'm good with based on some random measurement that I won't be able to understand!
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