EPTOn February 02 2013 02:29 Esoterikk wrote:
Actually Valve said they want a visible MMR, their match making system right now isn't good enough to have one however so until they fix their match making they aren't going to let people see their rating because their match making isn't reliable.
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On February 02 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, its a long-ass story.
Basically, Dotabuff (being the high-quality, ad-free website it was), decided that they would like to pay for their bills, and maybe make some money (seems legit to me). So they thought "hmmm, how do we make money? well obviously a subscription model is the best" (plus they are owned by lolking or whatever that has a similar subscription model). Then they had to decide how to get people to subscribe, and they decided that the easiest way was to have an MMR, and somehow let subscribers have better access. So they wrote their code to extract MMR (called it "DotaBuff rating" or DBR), and then asked the community "Hey, should we make this public or private?". Whether or not they faked the poll is up for debate, but the response was: ~65% public, but a huge uproar about it. Really really big. So they said "Oh we are sorry we caused such a debate. Of course we never dreamed of actually making it public despite what our polls say. Wait till we release "dotabuff plus" on friday and DBR then you will see what we plan".
Meanwhile valve is like:
A) We kinda like the invisible MMR
B) We don't really like how you are going to sell our statistics
C) We don't really like you using the backdoor method to get results anymore when we set up a Web API for this
So valve added a privacy setting in dota 2 that lets you control access to your stats via the web api (Opt-IN, not opt-out). Dotabuff didn't really care (cuz they didn't use the web API), so they released private DBR and dotabuff plus (although dotabuff plus only let you see your historical DBR basically).
Then valve disabled the method dotabuff was using (and they are rapidly upgrading the web API to mirror dotabuff's previous functionality).
Dotabuff went apeshit and claimed that they were "shut down by valve", and disabled all access to their stats for a few days. The court of public opinion voted for valve over dotabuff though, so dotabuff came back with their tail between their legs and are now showing all the old stuff, using valve's web API, with most players now listed as "anonymous" in replays. I don't actually know if they can still calculate DBR, and I don't much care.
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On February 02 2013 01:42 konadora wrote:
so i saw the mtw and own3d going down, as well as fnatic.na (at least it wasn't eu division yay). still don't understand the dotabuff issue, it's just because of privacy issue as well as not going through proper channel? :o
On February 01 2013 07:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
"valve shutdown" should be in quotes since dotabuff were the ones who took their site down themselves after finding out they couldn't use an exploit to gather data and they'd have to do it themselves.
On February 01 2013 07:07 Comeh wrote:
I think you might have missed that mtw organization (whole thing, not synd's team) is dead.
EDIT: Oh, you missed a whole huge controversy with Dotabuff, publicly released MMR visible to everyone, and valve shutdown (and reopening) of the website. People were mad.
I think you might have missed that mtw organization (whole thing, not synd's team) is dead.
EDIT: Oh, you missed a whole huge controversy with Dotabuff, publicly released MMR visible to everyone, and valve shutdown (and reopening) of the website. People were mad.
"valve shutdown" should be in quotes since dotabuff were the ones who took their site down themselves after finding out they couldn't use an exploit to gather data and they'd have to do it themselves.
so i saw the mtw and own3d going down, as well as fnatic.na (at least it wasn't eu division yay). still don't understand the dotabuff issue, it's just because of privacy issue as well as not going through proper channel? :o
Well, its a long-ass story.
Basically, Dotabuff (being the high-quality, ad-free website it was), decided that they would like to pay for their bills, and maybe make some money (seems legit to me). So they thought "hmmm, how do we make money? well obviously a subscription model is the best" (plus they are owned by lolking or whatever that has a similar subscription model). Then they had to decide how to get people to subscribe, and they decided that the easiest way was to have an MMR, and somehow let subscribers have better access. So they wrote their code to extract MMR (called it "DotaBuff rating" or DBR), and then asked the community "Hey, should we make this public or private?". Whether or not they faked the poll is up for debate, but the response was: ~65% public, but a huge uproar about it. Really really big. So they said "Oh we are sorry we caused such a debate. Of course we never dreamed of actually making it public despite what our polls say. Wait till we release "dotabuff plus" on friday and DBR then you will see what we plan".
Meanwhile valve is like:
A) We kinda like the invisible MMR
B) We don't really like how you are going to sell our statistics
C) We don't really like you using the backdoor method to get results anymore when we set up a Web API for this
So valve added a privacy setting in dota 2 that lets you control access to your stats via the web api (Opt-IN, not opt-out). Dotabuff didn't really care (cuz they didn't use the web API), so they released private DBR and dotabuff plus (although dotabuff plus only let you see your historical DBR basically).
Then valve disabled the method dotabuff was using (and they are rapidly upgrading the web API to mirror dotabuff's previous functionality).
Dotabuff went apeshit and claimed that they were "shut down by valve", and disabled all access to their stats for a few days. The court of public opinion voted for valve over dotabuff though, so dotabuff came back with their tail between their legs and are now showing all the old stuff, using valve's web API, with most players now listed as "anonymous" in replays. I don't actually know if they can still calculate DBR, and I don't much care.
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Actually Valve said they want a visible MMR, their match making system right now isn't good enough to have one however so until they fix their match making they aren't going to let people see their rating because their match making isn't reliable.
Can I get a quote on that? Because I'm pretty sure it's bullshit.
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