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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
On February 01 2013 13:13 rabidch wrote: static needs time to set in and his low hp doesnt make him a guaranteed counter It is a better counter than SF that NaVi was picking. Anyway combo him with an SD and you can dirsrupt+static link the sven early game. Once he has his BKB just purge+link and you can probably get enough to remove damage. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
HERE WE GO AGAIN | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
On February 01 2013 14:25 PrinceXizor wrote: funnily enough as a counter engage treant works vs sven carry, he either has to bkb while engaging or save it to break out of overgrowth and get chain disabled until then. there are tons of ways to deal with sven, but that requires practicing other things. which most western teams aren't willing to do Shadow Demon is a much better pick if you're looking to counter sven. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
If you look at e.g. the question as to whether you want to pick Tide or Tree (or SF/Razor, Spectre as a carry etc.) their theoretical value has to be a LOT better than a more common pick simply because the individual player and the team as a whole don't have a big enough sample size playing with that guy turning it into a (potential) high risk/high reward situation. This type of stuff rarely means a lot when you believe you can build an edge in more conservative way (aka most teams that are on a similar level) and it's very ballsy to pull off when you are weaker than the enemy team (imagine how many people would shit over your theorycraft when it didn't work because of player/team skill, not because you were actually wrong). That doesn't happen a lot. The scenarios we're left with where those things can be "discovered" easily are teams who practice their ass off with them, better teams having fun with weaker teams and desperate teams in a situation where they believe victory is impossible with a more conservative idea. That's not exactly a whole lot of room to work with. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
There are certain situations where a hero or some combination of heroes is found to be "OP", but taking that out of consideration of an overall lineup is utterly idiotic. What DotA does is it pits lineups, gameplans, and execution against each other, not "my heroes counter yours". | ||
TheEmulator
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Aui_2000
Canada435 Posts
On February 01 2013 14:25 PrinceXizor wrote: funnily enough as a counter engage treant works vs sven carry, he either has to bkb while engaging or save it to break out of overgrowth and get chain disabled until then. there are tons of ways to deal with sven, but that requires practicing other things. which most western teams aren't willing to do How do you know what western teams have tried in practice? | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On February 01 2013 15:29 Aui_2000 wrote: How do you know what western teams have tried in practice? He's psychic. He knows exactly what western teams are doing at all times Even when you think you're all alone | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On February 01 2013 11:46 The Irate Turk wrote: AngryTestie plays a DISGUSTING Corrupted Disciple who is the HON equivalent of Razor. He can rice really well on him and he can tear people apart. Testie can do this with most heroes but his CD is definitely very strong. I think you've gotten lost | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
I agree with Kupon3ss. Countering a singular hero with specific picks is gimmicky to say the least. Usually the safest way to deal with a strategy that is particularly strong is identifying WHEN and HOW it is weakest, not WHO or WHAT it is weakest against | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
I would say the idea of "combo" heroes carry more weight than "counters" since it allows for the core of the game to be included which is teamplay. The notion of combo does not necessitate if X is picked, you should pick Y. But rather, it implies that if you pick X, Y could work and it allows for a larger array of combos. Alas, this is merely from a pub perspective since I have never played at a truly professional level, or even a level beyond that of average pub. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
For me the client itself loads faster, the 2nd and later game loads are faster, but the first load is like 2.5 minutes when it was 1.5 before. And unrelated, someone made a great comparison of unit selection in dota and other games http://imgur.com/a/LaFlx#0 | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On February 01 2013 15:29 TheEmulator wrote: Except Nyx, he counters everyone I see your Nyx and raise you a Doom. | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
I see your Doom and raise you a Wisp!!! | ||
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
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SYNC_qx
Germany197 Posts
On February 01 2013 16:22 Nilrem wrote: I see your Doom and raise you a Wisp!!! I think we have a winner. | ||
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