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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 31 2013 19:56 GMT
#41001
Razors pushing power comes from aghanims which isn't a bad item on him for the stats in general.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 20:00:09
January 31 2013 19:58 GMT
#41002
On February 01 2013 04:56 PrinceXizor wrote:
Razors pushing power comes from aghanims which isn't a bad item on him for the stats in general.

I get the feeling that Agh's just isn't really worth it on him - its payoff doesn't seem that good compared to some other items on him...

Also, i'd kill for ~6 more base damage on mirana.

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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 31 2013 19:59 GMT
#41003
On February 01 2013 04:58 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:56 PrinceXizor wrote:
Razors pushing power comes from aghanims which isn't a bad item on him for the stats in general.

I get the feeling that Agh's just isn't really worth it on him - its payoff doesn't seem that good compared to some other items on him...

he uses all of the stats of aghanims very well, and becomes a pushing terror with it. it's certainly not a massive upgrade like aghanims nightstalker, but it rounds out the hero very well. it's not the flashiest of aghanims upgrades but it's certainly useful.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 31 2013 19:59 GMT
#41004
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 31 2013 20:01 GMT
#41005
It adds 762 damage to his ultimate and lets it hit buildings as well as giving him very nice stat boost that he could use.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 31 2013 20:03 GMT
#41006
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.
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Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
January 31 2013 20:04 GMT
#41007
The playdota description for static link is contradictory

• The link is broken when either unit dies, the distance between them becomes greater than 675, or when Razor loses sight of the targeted unit.
• Doesn't break, when target is out of sight.


so which is it?
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 20:05:40
January 31 2013 20:04 GMT
#41008
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Is this before or after medallion, desolator, and ac on him?

IIRC it doesn't break when they go out of sight (invis heroes included?) but only breaks with range distance.

IMO they should give razor's ult flying vision. Could be cool.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 31 2013 20:05 GMT
#41009
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Armor of that magnitude is strong enough to turn any blade.....except.....LAGUNA BLADE!!!!!!!!!!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 31 2013 20:06 GMT
#41010
On February 01 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Armor of that magnitude is strong enough to turn any blade.....except.....LAGUNA BLADE!!!!!!!!!!

We should have a list of TL achievements of ridiculous games, including a dazzle with agh's refreshers medallion ac and deso.,
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 31 2013 20:08 GMT
#41011
On February 01 2013 05:06 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Armor of that magnitude is strong enough to turn any blade.....except.....LAGUNA BLADE!!!!!!!!!!

We should have a list of TL achievements of ridiculous games, including a dazzle with agh's refreshers medallion ac and deso.,

Bringing the dotapocalypse should be one, as well as getting dagon 5 refresher aghanims veil eblade Mjollnir Zeus.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 31 2013 20:08 GMT
#41012
Yeah, they recently buffed it to NOT break on vision loss (it used to). It now gives semi-vision on invis heroes. You can see the hero (while linked), but the hero is "invis" aka untargetable etc, much like SB charge.

On February 01 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Armor of that magnitude is strong enough to turn any blade.....except.....LAGUNA BLADE!!!!!!!!!!


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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 31 2013 20:09 GMT
#41013
On February 01 2013 05:06 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Armor of that magnitude is strong enough to turn any blade.....except.....LAGUNA BLADE!!!!!!!!!!

We should have a list of TL achievements of ridiculous games, including a dazzle with agh's refreshers medallion ac and deso.,


Sure but you don't get on the list until you achieve vangod (and win). Just an entry requirement kinda thing
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 31 2013 20:12 GMT
#41014
On February 01 2013 05:04 Imbajoe wrote:
The playdota description for static link is contradictory

Show nested quote +
• The link is broken when either unit dies, the distance between them becomes greater than 675, or when Razor loses sight of the targeted unit.
• Doesn't break, when target is out of sight.


so which is it?

The second, it doesn't break when the target goes invis/out of sight.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 20:14:34
January 31 2013 20:12 GMT
#41015
On February 01 2013 05:04 Imbajoe wrote:
The playdota description for static link is contradictory

Show nested quote +
• The link is broken when either unit dies, the distance between them becomes greater than 675, or when Razor loses sight of the targeted unit.
• Doesn't break, when target is out of sight.


so which is it?

The latter.

6.75 - Static Link no longer breaks if Razor loses vision of the target

The first point is leftover from when Razor's link did break on vision loss.

On February 01 2013 04:47 Darkren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:14 nojok wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:00 Comeh wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:48 PassiveAce wrote:
Does anyone else feel like razor is vastly underestimated/undervalued?

The only question of him is in what situations he faces best, how best to lane him, and other minor questions. I think a lot of players think he is good, but just don't feel comfortable about when to draft him or not. I think he could be amazing against a Naix pick.

Infest would stop it, specially during big fights where they wait for ultis to be ready but in small skirmishes it could be nice, but it's true it can prevent naix from infesting the initator.


Infest doesnt stop static link, i think the drain stop but the link stays on

The drain continues.

Static Link damage drain functions completely through magic immunity. You used to have to ground-target link in order to get it onto magic immune targets in the first place, but that's not even true anymore.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 31 2013 20:15 GMT
#41016
On February 01 2013 05:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 05:06 Comeh wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 01 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 01 2013 04:59 Erasme wrote:
yeah aghs sucks on razor. Unless you're talking about aghs/refresher razor which is totally badass


You know what should work? Aghs refresher Dazzle. You'd have to make it so that re-ulting refreshed the buff duration tho, as opposed to re-applying it. COMIN AT YA WITH 70 ARMOUR WHAT NOW?.

Armor of that magnitude is strong enough to turn any blade.....except.....LAGUNA BLADE!!!!!!!!!!

We should have a list of TL achievements of ridiculous games, including a dazzle with agh's refreshers medallion ac and deso.,


Sure but you don't get on the list until you achieve vangod (and win). Just an entry requirement kinda thing

I think I'll make an achievement thread if I drink enough when I get home tonight.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 20:18:32
January 31 2013 20:17 GMT
#41017
On February 01 2013 04:56 PrinceXizor wrote:
Razors pushing power comes from aghanims which isn't a bad item on him for the stats in general.

Razor's Agha effect is fairly impractical for pushing. The -armor does NOT apply to buildings, and the ult selectively targets the lowest health unit, meaning it will pretty much never select the tower over creeps unless the tower is already almost dead.

Mek/Pipe/AC are honestly much more practical item choice for him if you need pushing power.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 31 2013 20:20 GMT
#41018
On February 01 2013 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:56 PrinceXizor wrote:
Razors pushing power comes from aghanims which isn't a bad item on him for the stats in general.

Razor's Agha effect is fairly impractical for pushing. The -armor does NOT apply to buildings, and the ult selectively targets the lowest health unit, meaning it will pretty much never select the tower over creeps unless the tower is already almost dead.

Mek/Pipe/AC are honestly much more practical item choice for him if you need pushing power.

You just position yourself to zap the building. it's not difficult. leshracs do it all the time
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
January 31 2013 20:26 GMT
#41019
I know this is a bit off topic with the whole Aghanim sceptar talk atm but I been having alot of trouble lately dealing with Spirit breaker. I havent played for a long time and just recently got into beta and was surprise to see that when Spirit breaker charges, you no longer see the debuff of the charge anymore. Instead their entire team even knows they are charging this specific person with a symbol over their head. I was laning mid as drow against a sniper. When he hit 6 (I was 7, I out laned him), spirit breaker just keep charging me with combination of sniper ulti and I just keep dying. I would assume that this type of strategy would still be rather effective in most game. In general, how do you deal with this or deal with spirit breaker in general without being forced to get completely zone out if possible?

Of course I am talking about pub game.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 31 2013 20:28 GMT
#41020
Buddy system, hold hands and wards.
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