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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 22 2013 07:33 ChrisXIV wrote: http://dotaland.net/2013/01/21/interview-with-new-team-risingstars-manager-cc/ ZSMJ has a full team now. :D Wait I remember cheesebug but who are the rest, hope they can support zusumuju properly. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On January 22 2013 07:46 BeanerBurrito wrote: A naga siren with no farm is a pretty useless naga siren. It's like saying faceless void is really good support because his chrono goes through bkb and he can bash to disable. I mean to say that telling people that it's "good" to play naga as a support is just spreading misinformation. Like, if i ever play a game and my naga siren goes mek, forcestaff, arcane boots, and ghost scepter, i'll pm you about how sad it made me. NTH just picked naga siren as a support 3 times in a row. It's not useless. That's what we are discussing. If you think you know better than EternalEnvy, feel free to tweet him and challenge NTH to a bo3. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 22 2013 07:46 BeanerBurrito wrote: A naga siren with no farm is a pretty useless naga siren. It's like saying faceless void is really good support because his chrono goes through bkb and he can bash to disable. I mean to say that telling people that it's "good" to play naga as a support is just spreading misinformation. Like, if i ever play a game and my naga siren goes mek, forcestaff, arcane boots, and ghost scepter, i'll pm you about how sad it made me. what about support lanaya? She went dual hardlane: https://dotabuff.com/matches/104569965 But on a serious note, any hero can be played on any position in pub. In fact you need to have that flexibility in order to enjoy pub. 5 carries can be so much fun when people in team willing to tolerate with their 'positions'. While for comp scene, there is no chance we will ever see a naga as support. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
He is invis and invis=invincible. Invincible support=OP. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
On January 22 2013 07:56 DrPandaPhD wrote: NTH just picked naga siren as a support 3 times in a row. It's not useless. That's what we are discussing. If you think you know better than EternalEnvy, feel free to tweet him and challenge NTH to a bo3. I still can disagree, I think it's a waste of potential unless like someone else said it was for a specific reason. In my opinion other support heroes will do much better than naga while having no farm. And i am assuming that when you say support naga, you mean that the naga will not have very much farm because it is going to the other carries on the team. I didn't watch those games but can you tell me how the lanes went, how much farm the naga got, and what items he went? LGd, ig, navi, mouz, dignitas, eg, and other teams have used naga as a carry and not a support, I don't think the exception proves the rule. But again I didn't watch those games so can you help me out with the specifics about it and how it worked? On January 22 2013 08:01 BurningSera wrote: what about support lanaya? She went dual hardlane: https://dotabuff.com/matches/104569965 But on a serious note, any hero can be played on any position pub. In fact you need to have that flexibility in order to enjoy pub. 5 carries can be so much fun when people in team willing to tolerate with their 'positions'. A pub is a pub that is true, but if I'm saying x hero is not good at doing y i always mean in a competitive match, because like you said anything can happen in a pub so it's not worth theorycrafting about since you can do anything you want. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:02 Unleashing wrote: Support riki is op, plz nerf blizzard. Them stealth obs. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Totally legit, like this mek+arcane+necro riki: https://dotabuff.com/matches/43717535 Blink in Mek+Smoke = ninja support saved the day! | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 22 2013 07:46 BeanerBurrito wrote: A naga siren with no farm is a pretty useless naga siren. It's like saying faceless void is really good support because his chrono goes through bkb and he can bash to disable. I mean to say that telling people that it's "good" to play naga as a support is just spreading misinformation. Like, if i ever play a game and my naga siren goes mek, forcestaff, arcane boots, and ghost scepter, i'll pm you about how sad it made me. Arcanes+mek is actually good even on carry siren. Situational, but it has higher effectiveness than Vanguard and develops faster than Linken or Heart-based builds. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:02 BeanerBurrito wrote: I still can disagree, I think it's a waste of potential unless like someone else said it was for a specific reason. In my opinion other support heroes will do much better than naga while having no farm. And i am assuming that when you say support naga, you mean that the naga will not have very much farm because it is going to the other carries on the team. I didn't watch those games but can you tell me how the lanes went, how much farm the naga got, and what items he went? LGd, ig, navi, mouz, dignitas, eg, and other teams have used naga as a carry and not a support, I don't think the exception proves the rule. But again I didn't watch those games so can you help me out with the specifics about it and how it worked? They picked naga to aggressive trilane. She was the "5th" position in the team. Didn't get much items at all, was warding etc. Used her very well because as soon as the enemy carry BKB'd the naga would sleep and the team would focus the carry down. Since when the carry is under the bkb effect the sleep wont affect him they could kill him with the enemy team just watching being unable to do anything. Don't know if it was specifically to counter Luna which is a very common BKB carrier or if it is a support they have been working with. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
If you can utilize her illusions to the max, stacking, denying runes&scouting she seems to be alright. I've always wanted to see a support kunkka though, he can harass early on pretty well and his spells are all about teamfight.(huehue) One good thing about semicarry/carry supports is that they scale into the endgame. It's still funny to see NTH play those though, but it's all good because if anything dota is very flexible when it comes to heroes and what can they perform..quite fun to see. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
It's like how sven, gyro, or furion played as supports. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:04 Erasme wrote: Was the same thing with Nyx. 'he can't be played outside of 2nd position, noob Navi, Puppey lost that for them, bad draft' Nyx got a few changes to make it a lot better in support position than before. His kit also has a lot of things that gives it a lot of potential. I'm all for having a discussion about Naga support but if one is to happen it should happen with context not just listing abilities. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I have seen Empire do it aswell but honestly I am not sure if it was just them outclassing their opponent rather then the strength of Naga as a support. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:06 TheYango wrote: Arcanes+mek is actually good even on carry siren. Situational, but it has higher effectiveness than Vanguard and develops faster than Linken or Heart-based builds. That's what i hate about dota theorycrafting, there are so many situations where you could say "well it's situational". But i think you would agree it would be much more efficient for that carry naga to be getting something like a diffusal or a radiance, and to let his support kotl buy the mek and arcane boots, at least for 99/100 games On January 22 2013 08:09 Kipsate wrote: Getting Meka/Arcane boots on a Naga Siren doesn't make her a support though. a #3 position Naga would get that and I think people are talking about a #4 or a #5 Naga Siren. I have seen Empire do it aswell but honestly I am not sure if it was just them outclassing their opponent rather then the strength of Naga as a support. That's another thing, So many heroes are kind of inbetween the "roles" system in what they do throughout a game. I much prefer talking about specific heroes and what they do in the game, as opposed to the roles of a hero. For example a crystal maiden and a chen both play the support role for a team, but they function completely different so comparing them can sometimes be like an apples to oranges type of situation. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 22 2013 08:08 Andr3 wrote: The reason it worked for NTH is because A) they're a superior team, B) it's a specific kind of thing. Naga siren can, and seems to work in some cases a support but it looks to be something you could do once in a while to throw off the enemy team...like a cheese in SC2. If you can utilize her illusions to the max, stacking, denying runes&scouting she seems to be alright. I've always wanted to see a support kunkka though, he can harass early on pretty well and his spells are all about teamfight.(huehue) One good thing about semicarry/carry supports is that they scale into the endgame. It's still funny to see NTH play those though, but it's all good because if anything dota is very flexible when it comes to heroes and what can they perform..quite fun to see. From watching all those chinese vods i was actually surprised when i saw how often kunkka was played as a supportive hero, like i saw him getting items like pipe, usually go mid and gank and giving farm to the carries in team. Like you said his skills are more about teamfight so it makes sense. It is similar to the case of playing Furi, you can go dps/carry build on him when the team needed carry power or he can be a fat support because he can farm the resources where his team cannot farm so is all good. Position3's jug during ti2 was awesome too. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
Any hero can technically be played as a support, but what makes X hero better than Y hero at supporting? Support heroes provide something in the early to mid-game, where the carry tends to be weakest. That something can be anti-pushing power, pushing power, team fight presence, the ability to set up kills/gank, etc. Naga siren has a few of these aspects, so I don't see a particular reason why she can't be played as a support, really. Saying Naga siren is a bad support because she would be better as a carry doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On January 21 2013 08:28 FinestHour wrote: someone shoulda taken a picture of my expression when rabid last picked skk oh lord rofl On January 21 2013 13:04 FinestHour wrote: we coulda done a lot better thats for sure yea :/ | ||
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