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On January 22 2013 05:54 TheEmulator wrote:Well, being helpful in dota 2 strategy isn't really star worthy(even though he helps 24/7). Stars are more for notable contributions to TL, at least nowadays they are, over quality posting. By notable contributions I mean things that actually improve or help the site, while he is just helping people get better at a game. However, if we ever implement blue posters like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251528¤tpage=406#8104 in the Dota 2 strat forums, I am sure TheYango would be the first to receive it 
The blue posts look so cool , we need them here too!
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On January 22 2013 05:59 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 05:54 TheEmulator wrote:On January 22 2013 05:48 Cool Cat wrote:
theyango should have a star Well, being helpful in dota 2 strategy isn't really star worthy(even though he helps 24/7). Stars are more for notable contributions to TL, at least nowadays they are, over quality posting. By notable contributions I mean things that actually improve or help the site, while he is just helping people get better at a game. However, if we ever implement blue posters like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251528¤tpage=406#8104 in the Dota 2 strat forums, I am sure TheYango would be the first to receive it The blue posts look so cool , we need them here too!
Yeah, they are pretty awesome. It would probably just be implemented in the strategy section though. Maybe in this thread as well because of the constant strategy discussion.
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Whoever was asking about veno there's a good example of why he isn't picked much going on here http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/NEODotA (EG vs Dig). He's become dead weight so it's basically 5v4. He also didn't add much to the push so compared to a support with a disable he's rather useless at this stage of the game.
EDIT: I didn't even know there was a Dota 2 strat section oO
EDIT2: This neodota production value is rather high wow. Feels like they should be getting a lot more support
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I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo.
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On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo.
And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time  But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1
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On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1
True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills).
I just never realized :D
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On January 22 2013 06:43 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1 True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills). I just never realized :D
You'd probally have to share control with one of your teammates to stack with all 4 properly.
It'd be pretty sick money for a dusa with lvl 4 split shots, or just plain old SF.
Also, when playing offlane BM, am I theo nly who uses the boar to stack ancients instead of running there? Seems both easier and more efficient to me, and you're not vulnerable to ganks while going there (on the radiant side)
I just havent see other people micro the boar in that way
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On January 22 2013 06:57 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:43 Testuser wrote:On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1 True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills). I just never realized :D You'd probally have to share control with one of your teammates to stack with all 4 properly. It'd be pretty sick money for a dusa with lvl 4 split shots, or just plain old SF. Also, when playing offlane BM, am I theo nly who uses the boar to stack ancients instead of running there? Seems both easier and more efficient to me, and you're not vulnerable to ganks while going there (on the radiant side) I just havent see other people micro the boar in that way
True, but that is still sick. Stacking 4 camps at a time ...
And well, I do that too - I think most people do
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On January 22 2013 06:57 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:43 Testuser wrote:On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1 True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills). I just never realized :D You'd probally have to share control with one of your teammates to stack with all 4 properly. It'd be pretty sick money for a dusa with lvl 4 split shots, or just plain old SF. Also, when playing offlane BM, am I theo nly who uses the boar to stack ancients instead of running there? Seems both easier and more efficient to me, and you're not vulnerable to ganks while going there (on the radiant side) I just havent see other people micro the boar in that way
Standard to use the boar.
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Lol wow Viper so good with Agh's. That 12 sec cd on ult is so clutch in team fights. Not to mention the crazy long ass range.
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On January 22 2013 06:43 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1 True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills). I just never realized :D
Being able to stack all the camps isn't that useful though. Maybe if you have something that can farm a triple stacked camp very early on like a batrider, but you're just wasting some gold/exp while you wait for someone to be able to clear it if that isn't the case.
You're also going to have an incredibly weak lane with Naga supporting. You have a melee support with a semi-disable. Ensnare only prevents movement so if their only option is to run away then great, but if they're gonna stand and fight it doesn't work as well.
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On January 22 2013 06:57 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:43 Testuser wrote:On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1 True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills). I just never realized :D You'd probally have to share control with one of your teammates to stack with all 4 properly. It'd be pretty sick money for a dusa with lvl 4 split shots, or just plain old SF. Also, when playing offlane BM, am I theo nly who uses the boar to stack ancients instead of running there? Seems both easier and more efficient to me, and you're not vulnerable to ganks while going there (on the radiant side) I just havent see other people micro the boar in that way
You need level 2 of the summons to e able to do that, that's level 3-4 on the hero. How often can an offlane BM get that before he starts killing the stack in a competent level game?
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Hi there, i just received a whole bunch of Dota 2 extra copies (13 to be exactly) and since i dislike the game a lot, i'll just hand them out to my friends of Teamliquid. It seems that i can't post the codes, but i'd need your email adresses to give you access. So send me private messages if you want those. In case that actually everyone has access nowadays, just consider this a friendly relic from the past.
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On January 22 2013 06:57 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:43 Testuser wrote:On January 22 2013 06:38 Qbek wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. And as a carry she farmed four camps at a time But yeah, she has very strong skills that allow her to be effective with pretty low farm, and a skill that makes her scale with items really well, so she can be both a good 5 and 1 True, but while several heroes can clean the jungle in no time, I don't there's a lot of them who can stack as well as her (while still providing valuable support through her other skills). I just never realized :D You'd probally have to share control with one of your teammates to stack with all 4 properly. It'd be pretty sick money for a dusa with lvl 4 split shots, or just plain old SF. Also, when playing offlane BM, am I theo nly who uses the boar to stack ancients instead of running there? Seems both easier and more efficient to me, and you're not vulnerable to ganks while going there (on the radiant side) I just havent see other people micro the boar in that way
Stacking more than 2 camps at "the same time" is easiest with waypoints. As in, position all your stuff at different distances away from the camp and then tell them to go there and back at different intervals. Suddenly 1s+ time for each of those actions.
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On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo.
The good thing about Siren support is that when the enemy carry BKBs siren sleeps and the team just focus down the carry.
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On January 22 2013 07:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. The good thing about Siren support is that when the enemy carry BKBs siren sleeps and the team just focus down the carry.
The bad thing is the enemy team would prob be so far ahead it doesn't matter ;D
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On January 22 2013 07:15 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. The good thing about Siren support is that when the enemy carry BKBs siren sleeps and the team just focus down the carry. The bad thing is the enemy team would prob be so far ahead it doesn't matter ;D
Guess this is a joke / troll, but w/e.
Seriously, naga siren has quite a lot of potential as a support hero. Her ensnare is really strong going through bkb. Has a very strong -armor debuff. And her ult makes the enemy carry have to think twice before using bkb because it might just kill you faster than it helps you.
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A lot of heroes if you remove context and just state their abilities sound really strong. Naga is squishy and has mana issues. Her -armour debuff requires her to be in melee range or use illussions. Illussion/Ensare/Riptide is a lot of mana and requires a lot of levels. So you just land up with a squishy Agi support with mana problems and a disable that only limits movement on a single target. I don't see it happening unless play becomes really passive and you have someone that takes farm early then creates space letting the naga get farm. If I saw a support naga I'd just aggressive trilane and beat the shit out of that lane. Already trilanes with naga as the primary carry aren't that strong, ones with her as a support?
Sure maybe there's some super niche situation where it works out well. I just can't see it being a general pick. If you have this situation in mind maybe that would shed some light on the discussion.
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On January 22 2013 07:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:15 Numy wrote:On January 22 2013 07:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:On January 22 2013 06:36 Testuser wrote:
I just realized why Naga Siren is a potential fucking sick 5th position hero.
She can (in theory) stack four camps at a time. That's some serious money, yo. The good thing about Siren support is that when the enemy carry BKBs siren sleeps and the team just focus down the carry. The bad thing is the enemy team would prob be so far ahead it doesn't matter ;D Guess this is a joke / troll, but w/e. Seriously, naga siren has quite a lot of potential as a support hero. Her ensnare is really strong going through bkb. Has a very strong -armor debuff. And her ult makes the enemy carry have to think twice before using bkb because it might just kill you faster than it helps you.
A naga siren with no farm is a pretty useless naga siren.
It's like saying faceless void is really good support because his chrono goes through bkb and he can bash to disable.
I mean to say that telling people that it's "good" to play naga as a support is just spreading misinformation.
Like, if i ever play a game and my naga siren goes mek, forcestaff, arcane boots, and ghost scepter, i'll pm you about how sad it made me.
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